How I think all the remaining chaos monsters will eventually be spread out

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 1:18:29 AM

I did this before SoC and forgot about it.

How I think all the chaos monsters will be spread out.pngOmissions:

Dread Maw - Only happen if Khuresh Naga Race becomes a thing.

Warpfire Dragon - Don't think Tzeentch will get another DLC. Just FLC Egrimm.


Reasons:

Chimera - 4 Gods, 4 Heads.

Giant Spined Chaos Beast - Only WoC, Nurgle and Khorne have Warhounds. So Tzeentch and Slaanesh don't currently have the means.

Basilisk - Multi-armed, super poisonous, fast Serpent King. Makes sense for Slaanesh + it won the recent poll.

Cured Ettin - Its a creature from Norsca...nuff said, sharing would make Norsca even more of a less unique WoC-lite.

Preyton - Aesthetic wise, lore wise fits the Beastmen perfectly.

Chaos Siege Giant - I just went off its lore, its a Chaos Dwarf unit that the WoC can use.

 Magma Dragon - Again, I just went off its lore, but I'm 50/50 on if happens.

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 1:42:08 AM


Giant Spined Chaos Beast - Khorne/Slaanesh

Basilisk - Slaanesh

Pox Maggoth - Nurgle
Chimera - WoC

Warpfire Dragon - WoC

Chaos Siege Giant - CD/WoC

Magma Dragon - CD/Rakarth's Monster Pens

Curs'd Ettin - Norsca

Fenbeast - Norsca

Preyton - BM


NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Warpfire Dragon - Don't think Tzeentch will get another DLC. Just FLC Egrimm.

I doubt Warpfire Dragons would be Tzeentch-specific.  Given TOW just added them to Undivided WoC.

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NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Preyton - Aesthetic wise, lore wise fits the Beastmen perfectly.

It's also the only Race it has Kinship with.

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 2:52:19 AM

​Your list is missing a few Chaos monsters.


NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Dread Maw - Only happen if Khuresh Naga Race becomes a thing.

Why?

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:

Warpfire Dragon - Don't think Tzeentch will get another DLC. Just FLC Egrimm.

CA said that they won't add Egrimm as FLC. Anyway, Warpfire Dragon doesn't have to be a Tzeentch unit.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Chimera - 4 Gods, 4 Heads.

That's weird.



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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 3:24:22 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:

Why?

Dread Maw got retconned as a Khuresh creature. Doesn't fit with any Monos.

SerPus#7395 wrote:
CA said that they won't add Egrimm as FLC.

You got that wrong bud. Its okay, Rich explained for those who misunderstood. Egrimm will come as a FLC alongside a DLC. Not necessarily Tzeentch related, similar to WH2 FLC LLs.


SerPus#7395 wrote: That's weird


Makes a lot of sense. Remember how they took the AoS way of thinking for the Vortex Beast and Slaughterbrute.

Archaon Everchosen

Same goes for the Chimera, probably even more so. 

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Sep 22, 2024, 4:06:21 AM

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Dread Maw got retconned as a Khuresh creature.

That's from the RPG and it doesn't really matter. If CA used Things from the Woods for Kislev, they can use Dread Maw for any Chaos race.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Rich explained for those who misunderstood

Yes, thanks, I found the quote now. The point about Warpfire Dragon not being Tzeentch unit still stands.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:

Makes a lot of sense. Remember how they took the AoS way of thinking for the Vortex Beast and Slaughterbrute.

Same goes for the Chimaera, probably even more so. 

What are you talking about? In AoS Chimera was a Beastmen unit, so are you saying that it should be a Beastmen unit in TWW3? What's your point? 

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 4:33:59 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:
That's from the RPG and it doesn't really matter.

The RPG has to go through GW tho, so its Canonically a Khuresh creature. If Khuresh happens it would be theirs.


SerPus#7395 wrote:

What are you talking about? In AoS Chimera was a Beastmen unit, so are you saying that it should be a Beastmen unit in TWW3? What's your point? 

Except Beastmen don't exist in AoS anymore lol. Spelling it out, each head could represent a god similar to Dorghar's Chimera-like form in AoS. Its not hard to think CA would want to keep it undivided instead on just giving it to one god. 


Eg: Chimera has a bird head it wouldn't make sense to give only to Khorne.

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 4:43:34 AM

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
If Khuresh happens it would be theirs.

And if it not happens then it would go somewhere else.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Except Beastmen don't exist in AoS anymore lol. 

Yes, that's why you trying to somehow tie it to AoS gets even weirder.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Spelling it out, each head could represent a god similar to Dorghar's Chimera-like form in AoS.

There is no connection between Dorghar and Chimera.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Its not hard to think CA would want to keep it undivided instead on just giving it to one god. 

Sure. It being an undivided monster doesn't mean that every Chaos race will get it though. Especially considering that it couldn't even get marks. 

So there are basically three options: 

  1. CA does the Cockatrice thing again and just give Chimera to some random Chaos God; 
  2. CA does the Mammoth thing again and give it to Norsca;
  3. CA keep it in WoC;
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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 5:55:27 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:
And if it not happens then it would go somewhere else.

Unlikely


SerPus#7395 wrote:
Yes, that's why you trying to somehow tie it to AoS gets even weirder.

You're the one that brought up Beastmen dude. I'm just stating the obvious, 4 heads, 1 for each god.


SerPus#7395
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Sure. It being an undivided monster doesn't mean that every Chaos race will get it though. Especially considering that it couldn't even get marks. 

So there are basically three options: 

  1. CA does the Cockatrice thing again and just give Chimera to some random Chaos God; 
  2. CA does the Mammoth thing again and give it to Norsca;
  3. CA keep it in WoC;

4: CA gives it to every Mono and WoC.

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 6:27:02 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:
There is no connection between Dorghar and Chimera.

That's splitting hairs.  It's clearly a Chimera now.

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Sep 22, 2024, 6:35:33 AM

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Unlikely

Not any less likely than getting some other monsters.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
You're the one that brought up Beastmen dude. 

You said that CA might "take the AoS way of thinking" with Chimera. In AoS Chimera was a Beastmen monster.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:

4: CA gives it to every Mono and WoC.

Now that's unlikely. CA haven't done that with any undivided monster and they have no reason to.

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 6:42:28 AM

Good breakdown OP, don't know if they'll go for this exact ordering but I suspect that it'll be pretty close.

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 7:31:31 AM

I have a couple of issues:


Chimera - The head on the tail doesn't count, its always described as a three-headed monster. It is more just a mouth than anything, as it has no eyes. And given its relationship with Chaos Dragons and multi-headedness being a Tzeentchian trait, it should go to only Tzeentch and WoC.


Spined Chaos Beast - You are arbitrarly limiting a creature that could take marks and the lore says it is only similar to a Chaos Hound, not that it evolved from a Chaos Hound. The fact that Nurgle and Khorne has Warhounds in itself is an arbitrary assignment, as the Warhounds never could take marks. So Nurgle shouldn't have regular hounds to begin with. Instead of such arbitrary assignment, let it better represent TT and the lore by giving the marked versions and an Undivided one to their respective races.


Basilisk - Polls don't determine anything and given it has an aura that corrupts everything to die around it, plus being clearly a Lizard rather than a snake, it should go to Nurgle.


Dread Maw - Restricting it to the Naga is not even remotely loreful, as it is a creature of the Chaos Wastes. As the biggest snake-like thing around and the way it tortures the prey it eats, it would be so obvious to add it to Slaanesh (and Norsca if we insist on some wider representation), who frankly is in desperate need of centerpieces.


Warpfire Dragon - It is the most difficult addition to place and I would be fine with its omission. However I do not think it would fit with Tzeentch. Although, their lore says 


"No Warpfire Dragon has ever been sighted (by any that have survived) that rivaled the Old World's Emperor Dragons, though such monstrous creatures may exist somewhere in the trackless and unknown Southern Wastes, while the myths of Grand Cathay hold tales of "Daemon-Dragons" of the south, which may be one-and-the-same to them."


This could be an indication that Warpfire Dragons could potentially inhabit Khuresh.

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 7:41:14 AM

I'll only address some of them:


Chimera - Tzeentch and WoC

Basilisk - Slaanesh/Dark Elves and WoC and BM

Warpfire Dragon - Tzeentch and WoC

Magma Dragon - Chaos Dwarfs/Dark Elves and Imrik

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7 days ago
Sep 22, 2024, 8:18:02 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:
Not any less likely than getting some other monsters.

Dread Maw more difficult to make since its always underground. If Khuresh happens they would need to do it, other wise eh.

SerPus#7395 wrote:
You said that CA might "take the AoS way of thinking" with Chimera. In AoS Chimera was a Beastmen monster.

I was referring to the fact that Archies horse looks like a Chimera now and his heads represent the gods, similar to the Chimera in a way. Similar to how the Slaughterbrute looks distinctly Khorne, so does the Chimera look distinctly divided with its heads. Easy to understand. Don't get the push back on that one.

SerPus#7395 wrote:
Now that's unlikely. CA haven't done that with any undivided monster and they have no reason to.

When did they say they cant do it in the future tho...

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Sep 22, 2024, 8:22:25 AM

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:

Dread Maw more difficult to make since its always underground. If Khuresh happens they would need to do it, other wise eh.

Why would doing Khuresh present a sudden need to do underground stuff?

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Sep 22, 2024, 8:36:21 AM

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
Dread Maw more difficult to make since its always underground.

Clearly it's not always fully underground. It would look goofy on some of the siege maps though. But since you accept it as part of a Khuresh roster, it won't be a problem.


NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
I was referring to the fact that Archies horse looks like a Chimera now and his heads represent the gods, similar to the Chimera in a way.

Archaon's mount has nothing to do with Chimera.


NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:
When did they say they cant do it in the future tho...

Doesn't make it likely to happen.

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Sep 22, 2024, 8:38:02 AM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
plus being clearly a Lizard rather than a snake

Read read up on Basilisks in folklore. 

https://study.com/academy/lesson/basilisk-mythology-origin-facts.html#:~:text=The%20basilisk%20is%20often%20called,marking%20that%20resembles%20a%20crown.


"Is a basilisk a snake or a lizard?

There are many depictions of basilisks throughout history that describe them as both snakes and lizards. There isn't just one agreed-upon appearance of the basilisk. Although today, there is a genus of lizards named basilisk, or Basiliscus, after the creature."


It doesn't need to be a snake to be called the Serpent King, the Basilisk is often called the King of Serpents regardless of its form. 

Untitled.pngIts a slam dunk for Slaanesh as the Cockatrice was a slam dunk for Tzeentch

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Sep 22, 2024, 8:51:57 AM

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:

Read read up on Basilisks in folklore. 

https://study.com/academy/lesson/basilisk-mythology-origin-facts.html#:~:text=The%20basilisk%20is%20often%20called,marking%20that%20resembles%20a%20crown.


"Is a basilisk a snake or a lizard?

There are many depictions of basilisks throughout history that describe them as both snakes and lizards. There isn't just one agreed-upon appearance of the basilisk. Although today, there is a genus of lizards named basilisk, or Basiliscus, after the creature."


It doesn't need to be a snake to be called the Serpent King, the Basilisk is often called the King of Serpents regardless of its form. 

Untitled.pngIts a slam dunk for Slaanesh as the Cockatrice was a slam dunk for Tzeentch

Reading up on folklore is irrelevant. The only thing that matters here is the lore of Warhammer, in which it is a depicited as an 8-legged Komodo Dragon, not a snake. That many limbs safely eliminates the case for it being a snake, whatever the name may be. Its like insisting the Toad Dragon should be Tzeentchian just because its called a Dragon. Plus, its corrupting, poisonous death aura is incompatible to the desires and wishes of Slaanesh, but jives well with Nurgle's indifference to the cycle of life, death and rebirth.


Additionally, the name itself is derived from Greek and origanlly means "Little King/Ruler". Nothing about serpents there.

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Sep 22, 2024, 8:59:58 AM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Plus, its corrupting, poisonous death aura is incompatible to the desires and wishes of Slaanesh, but jives well with Nurgle's indifference to the cycle of life, death and rebirth.

Are you implying that every monster with poison has to be part of Nurgle's roster?

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Sep 22, 2024, 9:01:00 AM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Reading up on folklore is irrelevant. The only thing that matters here is the lore of Warhammer, in which it is a depicited as an 8-legged Komodo Dragon, not a snake. That many limbs safely eliminates the case for it being a snake, whatever the name may be. Its like insisting the Toad Dragon should be Tzeentchian just because its called a Dragon. Plus, its corrupting, poisonous death aura is incompatible to the desires and wishes of Slaanesh, but jives well with Nurgle's indifference to the cycle of life, death and rebirth.

Wont listen to reason, quite strange. But oh well, I tried.

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