1) Popular faction request

2) Bretonnia's main antagonist

3) Alternative take on the undead (medieval french-themed Vampire Counts)

4) Introduced back in WH1

5) Possible hybrid faction (Vampire Counts/Bretonnia or Bretonnia/Vampire Counts)

6) Introducing a potential new bloodline (Blood Dragons with the Red Duke)

7) Two potential Legendary Lords, Mallobaude and the Red Duke, the latter of which is already in the game

Such a missed opportunity.

Mousillon wouldn't be headed by Red Duke, but by Mallobaude. The two would need to come in conjunction in order to borrow units from each other, itself a Drycha-sized project.

Alberic being move to Bregonne is a good indication that Bordeleaux province will be used by Red Duke's corrupted Aquitaine eventually though. 

It would either come with a Bloodlines/other Vampire update LP, or with Nagash.

Why is it surprising that a character that wasn't playable in TT, isn't playable in TWWH?

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

By that logic Moussilon should have never been a faction on the map at all.

Getting Mallobaude is of course not necessary for a playable Mousillon. He only took control of that city shortly before ET and the actual last legitimate duke of Mousillon was Maldred d'Mousillion who we'll never get, so Red Duke is fine where he is.

Its the Red Duke of Aquitaine, not Mousillon. With Aquitaine available after Alberic moved out, there is no reason to not transfer Red Duke there.

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
The Red Duke of Aquitaine, not Mousillon. With Aquitaine available after Alberic moved out, there is no reason to not transfer Red Duke ther

Don't think that matters at all. Making Mousillion playable with Red Duke as leader is low-hanging fruit.

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DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:

Why is it surprising that a character that wasn't playable in TT, isn't playable in TWWH?

Weren't you advocating to delete the whole Daemons of Chaos race despite it being an official Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition TT race?

Now you backtrack and say that TT status is most important? Be more consistent, man!

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Don't think that matters at all. Making Mousillion playable with Red Duke as leader is low-hanging fruit.

Red Duke has absolutely nothing to do with Mousillon, it was Aquitaine that he ruled. Its an abandoned remnant of simplistic WH1 game design that wasn't capable of producing proper hybrid-Evil Bretonnia back in those days and it should be rectified. Red Duke belongs in Aquitaine. Mousillon is Mallobaude's turf.

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Red Duke has absolutely nothing to do with Mousillon, it was Aquitaine that he ruled.

And neither Queek, Skarsnik or Belegar are currently residing in Karak Eight Peaks. Or you know, Alberich, who was moved away from Bordeleaux to Lustria which he never once visited in the lore.

It. Doesn't. Matter.

You can find any sort of reasons why the Red Duke is in Mousillion. Mousillion at this point has no one person really controlling it. Maybe some Bretonnian lords evicted the Red Duke from Acquitaine and so he's found refuge in in Mousillion and is now plotting his revenge.

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

And neither Queek, Skarsnik or Belegar are currently residing in Karak Eight Peaks. Or you know, Alberich, who was moved away from Bordeleaux to Lustria which he never once visited in the lore.

It. Doesn't. Matter.

You can find any sort of reasons why the Red Duke is in Mousillion. Mousillion at this point has no one person really controlling it. Maybe some Bretonnian lords evicted the Red Duke from Acquitaine and so he's found refuge in in Mousillion and is now plotting his revenge.

If the lore doesn't matter, then Im sure we can agree to throw Karl Franz into Khuresh and Malekith to the Southlands, right?

Its not possible for all three to be in K8P because the game structure doesn't allow it. And because CA never places 2 LLs in the same province, Alberic going to Bregonne (a loreful Bretonnian colony) is clearly a preamble to making other uses for Bordeleaux province, namely Aquitaine. Plus that it makes sense that Alberic would travel the ocean as a worshipper of Manann. These are things stemming from game-structure limitations or game-logic decisions. There are no such arguments against not placing Red Duke in Aquitaine.

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Don't think that matters at all. Making Mousillion playable with Red Duke as leader is low-hanging fruit.

Red Duke has absolutely nothing to do with Mousillon, it was Aquitaine that he ruled. Its an abandoned remnant of simplistic WH1 game design that wasn't capable of producing proper hybrid-Evil Bretonnia back in those days and it should be rectified. Red Duke belongs in Aquitaine. Mousillon is Mallobaude's turf.

There was some old lore blurb about rumors of the Red Duke seeking shelter in Mousillon and taking over the place, but that's what it was, just rumors. TBH, if we don't get Mallobaude, that's enough reasons to make him start in Mousillon.

But really, Mallobaude or the Red Duke it doesn't really matter to me as long as Mousillon is playable.

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
If the lore doesn't matter, then Im sure we can agree to throw Karl Franz into Khuresh and Malekith to the Southlands, right

Buddy, please. I just named several characters who are not where the lore says they should be including Alberich. If this was so important for you, I take it you boycotted the game the whole time, huh? Skarsnik, Belegar and Queek all start away from K8P and their mission is to take it for themselves. So why wouldn't that work for the Red Duke?

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Buddy, please. I just named several characters who are not where the lore says they should be including Alberich. If this was so important for you, I take it you boycotted the game the whole time, huh? Skarsnik, Belegar and Queek all start away from K8P and their mission is to take it for themselves. So why wouldn't that work for the Red Duke?

Because he has no competition for Aquitaine that he needs to take it from. And Mousillon belongs to Mallobaude. Easy equation.

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Fossoway#5540 wrote:

1) Popular faction request

2) Bretonnia's main antagonist

3) Alternative take on the undead (medieval french-themed Vampire Counts)

4) Introduced back in WH1

5) Possible hybrid faction (Vampire Counts/Bretonnia or Bretonnia/Vampire Counts)

6) Introducing a potential new bloodline (Blood Dragons with the Red Duke)

7) Two potential Legendary Lords, Mallobaude and the Red Duke, the latter of which is already in the game

Such a missed opportunity.

Actually Mousillon is more than just a combination of Bretonnia and Vampire Counts.

In lore, thanks to Mallobaude's SCREW CHIVALRY AND ZE LADY policy, Mousillon has not only mutant Peasants and Dishonored Knights, not only a range of Undead, but also mercenaries working for Mallobaude and his underlings along with access to gunpowder weapons (since he also gives little to no damn about chivalry and those laws that forbid these...which also means they can use crossbows too).

Have Mallobaude run Mousillon, but also put in three other LLs as his wingmen. His right-hand vampire Aucassin, a ressurected Duke Meroverch (courtesy of Mallobaude and with dark restrains so that he wouldn't rebel against the current ruler of Mousillon) and finally Duke Maldred (raised back as a powerful undead...also controlled by Mallobaude so that he wouldn't rebel as well as not try to have him and Meroverch choke each other to super death).

And The Red Duke? Have him moved to the Forest of Chalons (now a forest settlement) where he ran to after going completely insane over almost defiling his son's tomb.

I can't believe we've come this far without a second Vampire Count DLC. 

Nothing at all since their rework and no DLC since WH1. 

Mousillon? Pff. That is something to be done when they get something at all. 

Why some people say that the Red Duke wasn't a Table Top character?
He was playable during the 5th edition, in the campaign of the Circle of Blood !

I'm ok with the fact that he is not supposed to be in Mousillon and lead this faction, but please stop saying he was a nobody and he was not playable because it's just false.

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Circle_of_Blood

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Cortes31#6909 wrote:
I can't believe we've come this far without a second Vampire Count DLC. 

Vampire Counts don't really have that many units to add, and CA is probably saving that content for special occasion (Nagash).

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Player#80942 wrote:
Oct 21, 2024, 10:17:20 AM

Why some people say that the Red Duke wasn't a Table Top character?

They're talking about Mallobaude who was only ever a character showing up in lore blurbs and never had any TT rules or a model.