I love that CA are adding unit variants in the regular updates with the x.x.0 patches now. IDK what is going to be feasible for them to add, like whether GW is okay with them adding variants that didn't already exist or if it's strictly things that already existed. Either way I don't know which category my suggestions fall into, but here they are:

- Black Orcs (Sword & Shield)

- Stormvermin (Spear & Shield) - (Side note; Stormvermin should get silver shields, it's kinda goofy that tier 1 units from other factions have silver shields but the Skaven's BEST shielded, front-line infantry in the game only have bronze)

- Depth Guard (Sword & Shield)

- Depth Guard (Spear & Shield)

- Black Guard of Naggarond (Spear & Shield)

- Phoenix Guard (Spear & Shield)

- Bestigor Herd (Axe & Shield)

- Bestigor Herd (Halberd) - This is even an ror, so just turn it into a regular unit

- Minotaurs of Khorne (Shields) - Just to match the variants of Minotaur that the Beastmen have so you don't have to choose between anti-large and anti-infantry

- Tzar Guard (Halberds)

I also think that they should go back to some of the units that have halberds but no shield and consider giving some of them a shield. If some scrawny skeletons (Tomb Guard-Halberds) can carry a halberd AND a silver shield, I think it makes sense for highly trained elites to be able to as well. I would be happy if any spear/halberd unit above is replaced with a (Halberd & Shield) variant.

I'd like to see the following

1. Savage orcs with spears
2. Savage orc big uns with great weapons
3. Savage orc big un ror and savage orc boar boy big un ror
4. Savage giant

Justice for the savage bois!

I don't really want to start seeing like 3+ variants of every unit. I'd rather get new units to fill those places than copy/paste the same unit a bunch in the same roster

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MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:

I don't really want to start seeing like 3+ variants of every unit. I'd rather get new units to fill those places than copy/paste the same unit a bunch in the same roster

Agreed. Units like savage orc variants are thematic so don't fill a roster purpose but rather an immersion purpose.

For example, orc boyz with spears will serve the same purpose as savage orcs with spears but if you're playing a Wurrzag campaign, having the savage variant adds a lot of fun. likewise some RoRs, and a great weapon big un variant so you don't need borcs

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MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:

I don't really want to start seeing like 3+ variants of every unit. I'd rather get new units to fill those places than copy/paste the same unit a bunch in the same roster

Perhaps not 3 of each, but for basic foot infantry or cavalry, 2 variants is a good rule of thumb. One Sword&Shield and then an anti-large option. 

So for Savage Orcs, you get:

Savage Orcs w Spear&Shield

Savage Big Uns w Spear&Shield OR Greatweapon

Savage Boar Boyz w Spears

Savage Boar Boy Big Uns w Spear&Shield

Savage Giant

And then their roster is complete. Repeat across the Greenskin variants and other races.

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Theo91#7431 wrote:

Agreed. Units like savage orc variants are thematic so don't fill a roster purpose but rather an immersion purpose.

For example, orc boyz with spears will serve the same purpose as savage orcs with spears but if you're playing a Wurrzag campaign, having the savage variant adds a lot of fun. likewise some RoRs, and a great weapon big un variant so you don't need borcs

They fill a purpose for Savage-only armies. 

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:

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Theo91#7431 wrote:

Agreed. Units like savage orc variants are thematic so don't fill a roster purpose but rather an immersion purpose.

For example, orc boyz with spears will serve the same purpose as savage orcs with spears but if you're playing a Wurrzag campaign, having the savage variant adds a lot of fun. likewise some RoRs, and a great weapon big un variant so you don't need borcs

They fill a purpose for Savage-only armies. 

Exactly. And that's a noble purpose indeed. Gork and Mork would be proud

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:

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MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:

I don't really want to start seeing like 3+ variants of every unit. I'd rather get new units to fill those places than copy/paste the same unit a bunch in the same roster

Perhaps not 3 of each, but for basic foot infantry or cavalry, 2 variants is a good rule of thumb. One Sword&Shield and then an anti-large option. 

So for Savage Orcs, you get:

Savage Orcs w Spear&Shield

Savage Big Uns w Spear&Shield OR Greatweapon

Savage Boar Boyz w Spears

Savage Boar Boy Big Uns w Spear&Shield

Savage Giant

And then their roster is complete. Repeat across the Greenskin variants and other races.

No shields. The savage bois aren't about defence. 

Savage orcs with spears for chaffy AL

Savage orc BUs with Greatweapons for the mid to end game

That's the higher priority. Tbh i dont think we need more cav variants - two is fine. But RoRs would be super cool for the BUs and BBBUs.

And the savage giant would be cool with a bit of physical resistance and slightly faster speed

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Theo91#7431 wrote:

No shields. The savage bois aren't about defence. 

Savage orcs with spears for chaffy AL

Savage orc BUs with Greatweapons for the mid to end game

That's the higher priority. Tbh i dont think we need more cav variants - two is fine. But RoRs would be super cool for the BUs and BBBUs.

And the savage giant would be cool with a bit of physical resistance and slightly faster speed

They need shields more than any since they have little to no armour. And it was an option in 8th to have Savages with shields, so I don't see any argument against it.

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Theo91#7431 wrote:
No shields. The savage bois aren't about defence. 

You don't know much about the lore then, they're not only an option for savage orcs, but a pretty common pick too.

Empire easy stuff:

- Halberdiers (Shields). 8th Edition unit upgrade. This would be shields on their back, as they couldn't be used in combat.

- Empire Knights (Greatswords). 8th Edition unit upgrade. 

 - Reiksguard Foot: 6th Edition unit, appeared in white dwarf will update when I remember issue. Not exactly a variant, but still a very simple unit to do. You just reuse the existing model.

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Foe-Hammer#3998 wrote:
Too many variants can cause roster bloat

No such thing.

More options = more flavor

I don't mind variants as long as they're ROR.  Alternatively, units need campaign effects so that variants don't cause roster bloat - Every different variant has a different beneficial effect on the campaign map.

Having variants to cover each and every different situation leads to bland armies.  For example, the reason most halberds do not have shields is because you are trading AP+AL -a potent combination that invalidates most monsters- with the ability to survive missile fire.  So that an army which has invested in monsters and cavalry can counter a halberds-heavy army with archers.  So if everyone has halberds + shields, you've just erased drawbacks which necessitated tactics such as a well-balanced army.  Also, shielded spearmen will now become completely redundant.

Reiksguard on Foot

Grave Guard with Halberds 

Night Goblins with Spears 

Savage Orcs with Spears 

Black Orcs with shields 

Marauder Horsemen with Flails 

Sorry, that's just Radious-style roster bloat for no real discernible gameplay gain. It will do nothing but either remove unique faction playstyles or render other units in the roster obsolete.

What's the point of giving Bestigors so many weapon options? Right, so you can just stuff your armies with Bestigors that can take every role and can finally shun all low-tier units. Terrible idea.

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Sorry, that's just Radious-style roster bloat for no real discernible gameplay gain. It will do nothing but either remove unique faction playstyles or render other units in the roster obsolete.

What's the point of giving Bestigors so many weapon options? Right, so you can just stuff your armies with Bestigors that can take every role and can finally shun all low-tier units. Terrible idea.

Lets take VC Grave Guard with Halberds then.... VC are lacking AL infantry.