its rarely ever impactful. 

honestly if it were removed from the game, the faction would still be practically unchanged.

feels a bit lame, the waaah mechanic from the orks is way better. (not saying that you should give the dark elves waaaah tho)

maybe replace it with an ability that charges with kills on a individual unit basis kinda like the hell blades ability from the blood letters or something. that makes them better as they get kills, fits the whole murderey vibe.

would be kinda a cool opposite to the high elves being strong when healthy, dark elves get a growing melee attack and damage buff as the slaughter gets underway.

CA should add that new lethality feature from Pharao to WH3 and give it the DE. 

What does this lethality feature do?

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Sandboxhead#8494 wrote:

What does this lethality feature do?

When a model attacks it has a chance to kill another model instantly.

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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Sandboxhead#8494 wrote:

What does this lethality feature do?

When a model attacks it has a chance to kill another model instantly.

Just reading this seems kind of OP, when is lethality triggered and does anyone know the kill chances?

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Itssomething#2248 wrote:

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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Sandboxhead#8494 wrote:

What does this lethality feature do?

When a model attacks it has a chance to kill another model instantly.

Just reading this seems kind of OP, when is lethality triggered and does anyone know the kill chances?

It only happens for successful hits so melee attack still matters and lethality is reduced by armour. As for the chances each units has different lethality values, for instance a unit of Slingers could have 5% of lethality which means they have 5% chance of instantly killing a model if a shot lands (chances are reduced by armour). 

I don't think this is a good idea to introduce in Warhammer. If they want to make this work they would have to do an entire balance pass on battles which is a ton of work. Battle pace in Warhammer is also way too quick to introduce such a mechanic imo.

I totally agree, the murderous prowess buff in Tabletop is a permanent buff and a reason to play Dark Elves at all. Right now, the mechanic just works as a steroid and you hope to get it activated. Speaking for Multiplayer here.
It should give a random chance for more weapon strength for a single attack each attack or something.
Sadly Dark Elves have lost their grip somehow, there is also no reason to bring Witch Elves or Sisters of Slaughter at all now, because every faction uses magic missiles....

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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Itssomething#2248 wrote:

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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Sandboxhead#8494 wrote:

What does this lethality feature do?

When a model attacks it has a chance to kill another model instantly.

Just reading this seems kind of OP, when is lethality triggered and does anyone know the kill chances?

It only happens for successful hits so melee attack still matters and lethality is reduced by armour. As for the chances each units has different lethality values, for instance a unit of Slingers could have 5% of lethality which means they have 5% chance of instantly killing a model if a shot lands (chances are reduced by armour). 

I don't think this is a good idea to introduce in Warhammer. If they want to make this work they would have to do an entire balance pass on battles which is a ton of work. Battle pace in Warhammer is also way too quick to introduce such a mechanic imo.

Thanks for the clarification, I agree I also don't think this should be added.  

Some good idea's here. CA should be taking notes.

They should just tone down the buff but make it permanent. The main issue is that it is temporary.

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MalalTheRenegade#5644 wrote:

They should just tone down the buff but make it permanent. The main issue is that it is temporary.

this is certainly the easy way out. i would prefer they just make it like an individual unit ability that gets progressively stronger as they kill, that way it justifies the buff being a tiny bit stronger on individual units.

but this isnt a bad idea either. as its kinda the same thing, just an army wide.

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

On the TT murderous prowess was a simple re-roll of failed wound rolls. Using lethality to portray this is a good idea although instead of instakilling anything it should simply be a chance to dish max damage that ignores armor and resistances. I would say in return this chance should go to 0% when a unit wavers and not recover until after the battle.

I dont particularly like this lethality mechanic. It sounds too gimmicky for what can easily be represented with a melee attack and damage buff passive to accomplish the same thing with systems already in the game.

Changing murderous prowess to a Berserk/hellblades like passive or just making murderous prowess weaker but permanent sounds much easier to implement. And would make people feel better, because it feels bad when it pops and does nothing because it popped at a bad time.

It would have to be a permanent buff but with conditions.  Such as "Disabled if unit morale drops below half, and if vigour drops to Exhausted."

If there are no conditions to the permanent buff, then might as well just change all DE unit stats and be done with it.

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I dont particularly like this lethality mechanic. It sounds too gimmicky for what can easily be represented with a melee attack and damage buff passive to accomplish the same thing with systems already in the game.

Changing murderous prowess to a Berserk/hellblades like passive or just making murderous prowess weaker but permanent sounds much easier to implement. And would make people feel better, because it feels bad when it pops and does nothing because it popped at a bad time.

Dark Elves are not berserkers who work themselves into a frenzy. Murderous Prowess is meant to represent their talent to hit vital spots on their target to inflict maximum pain so a critical hit type mechanic fits way better.

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Player#788887 wrote:
Dark elves and high elves are both good leadership factions. Neither is more "disciplined" then the other.

Completely and utterly wrong. The whole point of Druchii society is to not hold back but to indulge your basest urges and engage in whatever debauchery you desire. Druchii society has its origins in Morathi's cults of pleasure after all. You are also encouraged to murder whoever looked at you funny and take whatever station in society by force as per Malekith's "the strong rule the weak" dictum. For this reason Druchii eschew discipline and are about as loyal as the average Skaven. The Asur in contrast value diligence and temperance, hence why all Asur kingdoms  so utterly dedicate themselves to a specific and unique form of societal specialisation and warfare.

So yes, the Druchii should have poor leadership compared to the Asur.

The critical hit system is also not new, it was first used in Thrones of Britannia. The engine is capable of using it.

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

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Player#788887 wrote:
Dark elves and high elves are both good leadership factions. Neither is more "disciplined" then the other.

Completely and utterly wrong. The whole point of Druchii society is to not hold back but to indulge your basest urges and engage in whatever debauchery you desire. Druchii society has its origins in Morathi's cults of pleasure after all. You are also encouraged to murder whoever looked at you funny and take whatever station in society by force as per Malekith's "the strong rule the weak" dictum. For this reason Druchii eschew discipline and are about as loyal as the average Skaven. The Asur in contrast value diligence and temperance, hence why all Asur kingdoms  so utterly dedicate themselves to a specific and unique form of societal specialisation and warfare.

So yes, the Druchii should have poor leadership compared to the Asur.

The critical hit system is also not new, it was first used in Thrones of Britannia. The engine is capable of using it.

Im litterally looking at the game and all dark and high elf units have comparable leadership. At most a 4 leadership different between units of roughly the same tier.

My point is what you are saying is not represented in game. Both factions are well above average leadership.

And besides. Their whole lore emphasizes that the weak do not survive long. And is reflected in their above average leadership.