Immersion Updates

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a month ago
Jun 29, 2024, 12:13:08 PM

This might be a hot take, and by no means do i mean with this that this Game needs Immersion updates more than it needs actual bug fixes or reworks, but imo its one of those things that are overlooked for far too long by now.


I am speaking of Immersion in the game, it is something that has been severly lacking for quite a while now.

So i hope that we get to see some of that in patches, since they mentioned that from now on Patches will be more than just simple Fixes and will actually feature more or less major things.


Things i would love to see in Immersion Updates are:
Banner Bearers - Officers - Musicians

The Warhammer Universe has way too much amazing and iconic Heraldry that it is almost borderline criminal not to have Banner Bearers, who have also played a Role in the TT, who hold up their Banners with all the unique Heraldry on it. Also Officers & Musicians, though neither of them would have as much of an impact as Banner Bearers imo.


Battle Maps

While we fight in the insanely diverse and unique world of the Warhammer Universe, the vast majority of Battle Maps feels super vanilla and uninspired. I am fully aware that it is a major undertaking to make more immersive and unique Battle Maps, but given how much focus is on actual Battles in this game it would be a nice change to see Villages on the maps, corn fields, big forestry areas and positions that just HEAVILY favor one side. 

I am fine with it if not every Battle is balanced. Thats how things go in a world of endless, merciless wars. Sometimes you see yourself in the unfavored situation and have to overcome it. 

Sadly with the current Battlemaps that hardly ever a thing. 9 out of 10 times one gets excited if there is a big rock in the middle of the map that makes it unpassable terrain because that is considered unique. 


Lighting

The Warhammer Universe is usually known for its Grim Dark & Gritty Style, right now the game is way too bright and nice looking. There needs severe tweaks to lighting to give it back the style of what Total War Warhammer 1 had.


Animations of older Heroes

Compare the Animations of a Cathay Caster Hero to those of the Empire. Where the Cathay Caster uses cool looking magic attacks that reflect them being a caster, the Empire Wizards just swing their sword as if they lost all will to live ages ago. Not the biggest Deal, but still something i personally would love to see being changed.



I am saying this because i personally think, while apart from Battle Maps, those things would not give new Gameplay experiences, it would drastically enhance the Feeling of the Gameplay. Immersion is something that has a big impact on how one feels while playing the game, and should not be overlooked.


Hope y'all got a nice weekend. And i hope CA sees this, and atleast considers it. 

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a month ago
Jun 29, 2024, 1:24:16 PM

1. CA has already said several times that things like Banners and Musicians won't ever be added because at this point in the trilogy it's simply an enormous undertaking for absolute 0 gain.


2. Don't really have an issue with the current maps beyond things like mayor/famous cities or locations getting specific maps.


3. Setting being grim ≠ Geography being grim.

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a month ago
Jun 29, 2024, 1:33:09 PM

I only agree with getting more varieties of maps, or at least getting rid of the tree acne maps by reworking them to something realistic. I like the lighting as it is, want to see all my units properly with their colors.

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a month ago
Jun 29, 2024, 3:23:51 PM

mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:
1. CA has already said several times that things like Banners and Musicians won't ever be added because at this point in the trilogy it's simply an enormous undertaking for absolute 0 gain.

I can understand not being willing to do all the effort of adding a banner and musician to every unit in the game.  But I would still like to see at least an Army Standard Bearer.


1 extra Support Hero for each Race doesn't seem like too big of an ask.

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a month ago
Jun 29, 2024, 3:33:35 PM
Banners: Don't care


Battle Maps: Gotta balance it with everything else, remember there are terrain effects as well
Lightning: Don't Care
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a month ago
Jun 29, 2024, 4:32:00 PM

DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:

mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:
1. CA has already said several times that things like Banners and Musicians won't ever be added because at this point in the trilogy it's simply an enormous undertaking for absolute 0 gain.

I can understand not being willing to do all the effort of adding a banner and musician to every unit in the game.  But I would still like to see at least an Army Standard Bearer.


1 extra Support Hero for each Race doesn't seem like too big of an ask.

Oh that I agree, Battle Standards as a Hero option for every Race would make perfect sense while also adding some of that feeling without CA having to add banners and musicians to the literal hundreds of units.

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a month ago
Jun 29, 2024, 4:51:28 PM

At least they should fix the engine, and change it a bit to make it more modder-friendly for battle standard support. And then let the modders to the grunt job of adding it to every unit.

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a month ago
Jun 29, 2024, 6:02:08 PM

If there's any chance of any of that stuff it appears it is now, given it appears Aldridge has more control than before. I hope his efforts are rewarded, because I essentially think he wants the best TWW possible.

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a month ago
Jul 1, 2024, 2:42:53 PM

neverending#5226 wrote:

If there's any chance of any of that stuff it appears it is now, given it appears Aldridge has more control than before. I hope his efforts are rewarded, because I essentially think he wants the best TWW possible.

Thats what i think too, yes the chance is not high, but if there is ANY slim chance to see any of those things. I am absolutely down for it.

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a month ago
Jul 1, 2024, 7:32:11 PM

I'll say that warhammer 2 campaing map was more immersive from all aspects (terrain, trees, corruption, unique landmarks), everything feels more "blocky" in game 3.

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a month ago
Jul 1, 2024, 8:07:28 PM

dogoska#1535 wrote:

I'll say that warhammer 2 campaing map was more immersive from all aspects (terrain, trees, corruption, unique landmarks), everything feels more "blocky" in game 3.

Seconding this.

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a month ago
Jul 2, 2024, 4:40:22 AM

I agree with everything and would add a easy to add but a bit costly other point - Voice lines.


All races need updated Voice lines for Lords, Heroes, part units, Diplomacy and battle.

I want unique lines in diplomacy and new battle lines when fighting, it would add so much immersion and flavor.

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a month ago
Jul 3, 2024, 2:38:48 PM

Itssomething#2248 wrote:

I agree with everything and would add a easy to add but a bit costly other point - Voice lines.


All races need updated Voice lines for Lords, Heroes, part units, Diplomacy and battle.

I want unique lines in diplomacy and new battle lines when fighting, it would add so much immersion and flavor.

Oh yea that would be nice aswell, but given you would need to get all the VA's back into the studio that would probably be a lot harder to do

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a month ago
Jul 3, 2024, 3:48:41 PM

1. Tree acne - It may be unrealistic, but it gives you some cover without blocking player visibility.  I really hate forested maps because I can't see anything!

2. Lighting - Oh god no.  Atmospheric (read: dark) maps are good in theory, but in practice YOU CAN'T SEE THE GAME.  Make the skybox night I don't care, but don't dim the lighting ever again.

3. Banner bearers - Modders haven't updated their mods to TWWH3?

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a month ago
Jul 3, 2024, 4:19:56 PM

Sandboxhead#8494 wrote:

1. Tree acne - It may be unrealistic, but it gives you some cover without blocking player visibility.  I really hate forested maps because I can't see anything!

2. Lighting - Oh god no.  Atmospheric (read: dark) maps are good in theory, but in practice YOU CAN'T SEE THE GAME.  Make the skybox night I don't care, but don't dim the lighting ever again.

3. Banner bearers - Modders haven't updated their mods to TWWH3?

Unfortunately Banner Bearers/Officers Tables are a bit broken currently.

And given how much work it is for a Modder to make any sort of Animation, even minor ones, compared to CA's ressources its a ton of work.


Oh also, i would like an Option to have Realistic Vision (idk whats its called, the ones that comes with Battle Realism Mode), but without no more Minimap/Pause function.

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a month ago
Jul 4, 2024, 5:53:44 AM

What are we missing?


In battle:

- Banners.

- Reload animations.

- Quivers.

- Weapon crews pushing their artillery.

- Night battles.

- Battles that generated depending on the terrain where you were standing.

- Terrain being affected by the battle.

- Dismounting cavalry.

Dynamic weather.

- Duels between characters.

- Formations.


Campaign map:

- Seasons.

- Control and corruption being more like how it was in WH2. It just feels so dumbed down now.

Army Composition affecting your campaign movement.

Trade routes on map with boats/wagons on them.

- Owning a harbour to have access to sea traderoutes

- Raiding trade routes.

Trading ancillaries between factions.


Things I personally miss:

Avatar conquest.

- Naval battles.

- Cities being actual cities and not just 3 or more building slots. 

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a month ago
Jul 4, 2024, 1:33:33 PM

Jarms48#7854 wrote:

What are we missing?


In battle:

- Banners.

- Reload animations.

- Quivers.

- Weapon crews pushing their artillery.

- Night battles.

- Battles that generated depending on the terrain where you were standing.

- Terrain being affected by the battle.

- Dismounting cavalry.

Dynamic weather.

- Duels between characters.

- Formations.


Campaign map:

- Seasons.

- Control and corruption being more like how it was in WH2. It just feels so dumbed down now.

Army Composition affecting your campaign movement.

Trade routes on map with boats/wagons on them.

- Owning a harbour to have access to sea traderoutes

- Raiding trade routes.

Trading ancillaries between factions.


Things I personally miss:

Avatar conquest.

- Naval battles.

- Cities being actual cities and not just 3 or more building slots. 

All very good points.


Except for Naval Battles, that one i doubt we will ever see given its a different IP from GW afaik.

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a month ago
Jul 5, 2024, 4:42:34 PM

Jarms48#7854 wrote:

What are we missing?


In battle:

- Banners.

- Reload animations.

- Quivers.

- Weapon crews pushing their artillery.

- Night battles.

- Battles that generated depending on the terrain where you were standing.

- Terrain being affected by the battle.

- Dismounting cavalry.

Dynamic weather.

- Duels between characters.

- Formations.


Campaign map:

- Seasons.

- Control and corruption being more like how it was in WH2. It just feels so dumbed down now.

Army Composition affecting your campaign movement.

Trade routes on map with boats/wagons on them.

- Owning a harbour to have access to sea traderoutes

- Raiding trade routes.

Trading ancillaries between factions.


Things I personally miss:

Avatar conquest.

- Naval battles.

- Cities being actual cities and not just 3 or more building slots. 

Corruption both mechanically and graphically make have basicly been neutered even on legenday.

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a month ago
Jul 9, 2024, 12:26:04 PM

dogoska#1535 wrote:

Jarms48#7854 wrote:

What are we missing?


In battle:

- Banners.

- Reload animations.

- Quivers.

- Weapon crews pushing their artillery.

- Night battles.

- Battles that generated depending on the terrain where you were standing.

- Terrain being affected by the battle.

- Dismounting cavalry.

Dynamic weather.

- Duels between characters.

- Formations.


Campaign map:

- Seasons.

- Control and corruption being more like how it was in WH2. It just feels so dumbed down now.

Army Composition affecting your campaign movement.

Trade routes on map with boats/wagons on them.

- Owning a harbour to have access to sea traderoutes

- Raiding trade routes.

Trading ancillaries between factions.


Things I personally miss:

Avatar conquest.

- Naval battles.

- Cities being actual cities and not just 3 or more building slots. 

Corruption both mechanically and graphically make have basicly been neutered even on legenday.

Yea Corruption in its entirety needs a rework or rebalancing at the very least.


Also in case any CA employee reads this, the DM function on the forums seems to be broken.

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a month ago
Jul 9, 2024, 1:00:54 PM

If cost is such an issue, why not SELL us the Captain and Banner Carriers?
It being available for a fee is better than not having it at all.

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