This unit is very dissapointing. Obviously they had repeater handguns because even in your Elspeth trailer they have the repeater fire animation (hope you will fix this). Furthermore their malee stats are terrible as well as their armor. They will be destroyed almost as fast as the ordinary handguns by the same enemey units (Cav., artillery, bows etc.), because 60 armor is nothing in this game. Their only advantages is their higher damage and - hopefully - their reload time. It would have been much better if they would carry repeater handguns for a fast and devastating damage output but a longer reload time. So you could place them in front of your army and they could fire and deal a lot of damage before moving behind your army to reload. They feel a little bit boring to me.
People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.
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People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.
At least they could have a little bit more range than ordinary handguns.
People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.
At least they could have a little bit more range than ordinary handguns.
What? Ironsiders outclass Handguns in every way by far, why do the need more range?
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Their better shooting stats are somewhat negated by having much less models per unit. Armor will help them resist enemy archers a bit more, the melee stats are mostly an afterthought and might help against Clanrats. Definitely feels like a sidegrade with a very similar role. Having them equipped with repeaters would have offered a wholly new type of unit instead but since GW doesn't sell those models I suppose they blocked it like usual. Thank god for mods.
People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.
At least they could have a little bit more range than ordinary handguns.
More range is what Longriffles are there for. Ironsides are already a full upgrade to regular handgunners.
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This unit is very dissapointing. Obviously they had repeater handguns because even in your Elspeth trailer they have the repeater fire animation (hope you will fix this). Furthermore their malee stats are terrible as well as their armor. They will be destroyed almost as fast as the ordinary handguns by the same enemey units (Cav., artillery, bows etc.), because 60 armor is nothing in this game. Their only advantages is their higher damage and - hopefully - their reload time. It would have been much better if they would carry repeater handguns for a fast and devastating damage output but a longer reload time. So you could place them in front of your army and they could fire and deal a lot of damage before moving behind your army to reload. They feel a little bit boring to me.
I think Ironsides are going to be fantastic.
They will have better staying power and melt things more effectively than standard handgunners. They are not melee troops so melee stats are irrelevant to their role. Arty will wipe out anything anyway but If you are letting enemy cav get to them uncontested then maybe look at the units you are bringing to the battlefield.
People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.
Completely agree. My only point of curiosity surrounds the unit size. I wonder whether 60 units compared to Handgunners 90 was based around them having Repeaters. In the absence of the Repeaters I wonder whether their unit count should be buffed slightly?
People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.
Completely agree. My only point of curiosity surrounds the unit size. I wonder whether 60 units compared to Handgunners 90 was based around them having Repeaters. In the absence of the Repeaters I wonder whether their unit count should be buffed slightly?
So they do not even deal more damage than handgunners. Very dissapointing.
People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.
Completely agree. My only point of curiosity surrounds the unit size. I wonder whether 60 units compared to Handgunners 90 was based around them having Repeaters. In the absence of the Repeaters I wonder whether their unit count should be buffed slightly?
So they do not even deal more damage than handgunners. Very dissapointing.
They do stat wise, but they have less unit count so it balances out. They have an ability that -should- buff their firing rate etc, but it's too early to say whether they're going to be a full-on upgrade, or more of a sidegrade.
To make them better just increase the size of the unit from 60 to 80. It is so easy. So they still have less models than handgunners but they will perform significantly better.
To make them better just increase the size of the unit from 60 to 80. It is so easy. So they still have less models than handgunners but they will perform significantly better.
I agree with you on the unit size. The impression I got from Turin's assessment though is not that Nuln Ironsides are -bad- as such, but that they are bad for multiplayer. Turin made the observation that in a domination battle you need mobile units, and the Ironsides need to be stationary to benefit from their buff passive, so in that sense they're no good for MP people.
I don't think it means they'll be bad overall, but I concur that an increase in unit size will help them find a proper niche.
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