Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.

At least they could have a little bit more range than ordinary handguns. 

KIT#5531 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.

At least they could have a little bit more range than ordinary handguns. 

What? Ironsiders outclass Handguns in every way by far, why do the need more range?

Their better shooting stats are somewhat negated by having much less models per unit. Armor will help them resist enemy archers a bit more, the melee stats are mostly an afterthought and might help against Clanrats. Definitely feels like a sidegrade with a very similar role. Having them equipped with repeaters would have offered a wholly new type of unit instead but since GW doesn't sell those models I suppose they blocked it like usual. Thank god for mods.

KIT#5531 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.

At least they could have a little bit more range than ordinary handguns. 

More range is what Longriffles are there for. Ironsides are already a full upgrade to regular handgunners. 

60 armour is bad? since when?

Djau#5149 wrote:

60 armour is bad? since when?

Some people are spoiled from playing WoC and Cathay. 

I think people discount the roe lronsides have: they are suppose to boost nearby follow range units.

While I think a reapter handgun unit would have been cooler (mind you that they fix Outriders), it is not as if the unit has no place.

Djau#5149 wrote:

60 armour is bad? since when?

Since never. 

DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT.

Because repeaters are cooler than TT.

KIT#5531 wrote:
At least they could have a little bit more range than ordinary handguns. 

Then what would the point of Long Rifles be?

And we still get them with Outriders which are a unit that also fit Elspeths theme. 

I'm happy with a unit not being better at anything than a lower tier. So each unit can have a use, with some strength and weakness.

If they have just better range, better MA and MD, better armour, better damage, etc. then you get doomstack and useless lower tier units

Djau#5149 wrote:

60 armour is bad? since when?

I was expecting it to be closer to Greatswords. Considering the TT rules and the lore accurate artwork. 

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.

Completely agree. My only point of curiosity surrounds the unit size. I wonder whether 60 units compared to Handgunners 90 was based around them having Repeaters. In the absence of the Repeaters I wonder whether their unit count should be buffed slightly?

Mr-Vorn#1203 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.

Completely agree. My only point of curiosity surrounds the unit size. I wonder whether 60 units compared to Handgunners 90 was based around them having Repeaters. In the absence of the Repeaters I wonder whether their unit count should be buffed slightly?

So they do not even deal more damage than handgunners. Very dissapointing. 

KIT#5531 wrote:

Mr-Vorn#1203 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

People are really overreacting about the repeater Handguns. CA just implemented them how they worked on the TT. I'm personally happy that they have normal high quality handguns. Repeater Handguns are fine for Outriders. Ironsides are the unit I'm mostly exited about in this DLC.

Completely agree. My only point of curiosity surrounds the unit size. I wonder whether 60 units compared to Handgunners 90 was based around them having Repeaters. In the absence of the Repeaters I wonder whether their unit count should be buffed slightly?

So they do not even deal more damage than handgunners. Very dissapointing. 

They do stat wise, but they have less unit count so it balances out. They have an ability that -should- buff their firing rate etc, but it's too early to say whether they're going to be a full-on upgrade, or more of a sidegrade.

KIT#5531 wrote:

The MP guys already recognize how bad Nuln ironsides are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Eqb6cnQNs

To make them better just increase the size of the unit from 60 to 80. It is so easy. So they still have less models than handgunners but they will perform significantly better.

I agree with you on the unit size. The impression I got from Turin's assessment though is not that Nuln Ironsides are -bad- as such, but that they are bad for multiplayer. Turin made the observation that in a domination battle you need mobile units, and the Ironsides need to be stationary to benefit from their buff passive, so in that sense they're no good for MP people.

I don't think it means they'll be bad overall, but I concur that an increase in unit size will help them find a proper niche.