Do the dev's read these forums? (I'm kind of new here, since I havent been active on these boards since Medieval 2)?

The reason I am asking is because I have been wanting to bring something to their attention that may have been an oversight. OR it may simply have to do with DLC paywalls....

Maybe you guys can help me with this as well, as it matters to most Chaos fans. And if they DONT read this, one of you might know how to send it up the chain. 

On the TT game AND in the Lore, generic Chaos Lords and Heros have these mount options- Chariot, Daemon steed, Manticore, Chimera (not yet in game) Chaos dragon, and god touched mount IF marked. However, the way they have done it, if a Chaos champion/lord gets marked, they lose half their mount options! Now I know they wanted to highlight the God-touched new mounts, and that is cool for the release....But this comes with two major reasons it needs to be fixed, especially since the assets are already in the game. In fact their are no less than 3 mods who have corrected this, and these are massively popular mods with 1000s of subscribers and rewards showing this is something chaos fans were bothered by. But there are also alot of players who DONT like using mods and prefer their game vanilla. Or perhaps these are incompatible with other mods and can't use it. Either way, it WOULD be an easy fix!! As modders have shown.....

1) Its immersion and lore breaking. These champions undergo rigorous and deadly trials to bond one of these creatures. They would not ditch it simply because their Chaos god of choice graced them with a mark.....When playing WoC, marking them feels like a downgrade if you like using either mount. So you are stuck using an undivided character to use them, OR you can do your army themed and lose them. 

2) All chaos factions have certain limitations, like no ranged, no artillery, no magic. They make up for this with high melee skills, and greater daemons and giant beasts. They NEED all their tools to expand choice and tactics.

3) Okay....So at the VERY LEAST Chaos Dragons are behind the original DLC paywall...This is fine, as they should just make the mounts available to those who own the original WoC DLC. Better yet, they could THEME these Chaos Dragons (and even manticore if they are feeling creative) giving them a color swap or even a slight reskin to fit Khorne, Tzeench, ect. I can ASSURE you this would be extremely well received! It would also give even more incentive to purchase the original WoC DLC (Just as Champions of Chaos did)

I've been reading various posts on here yesterday and this evening. And I can tell you guys are true fans and easy to talk to people who KNOW Warhammer. If a Dev reads this, PLZ take these words to heart and address this. If its fans reading it and know how to pass this along to the creative powers that be, plz make this heard!

Thanks for reading, guys.

That's not an oversight, it's a design choice.

Hey there, I spoke to a designer about this, it is indeed by design: there isn't any considerable benefit to staying undivided other than the greater variety in mount options so we made that a design choice, become stronger but reduce mount variety or stay undivided and keep your mounts without the advantage of the chaos god flavour boons. Best, CA_Nova

I don't mind Marked characters losing Manticores, Chimeras and Chaos Dragons, as long as they get something suitable in their place.

Getting their god's daemonic mounts is a good start.  But Tzeentch Lords/Heroes/Sorcerers should have the option of a Cockatrice mount.  And Nurgle characters should be able to ride Toad Dragons.

I think it's great that the Chaos armies are diverse and lose mounts if marked. It gives Undivided a unique flavour too. The only character who should have access to a Dragon imo is Egrimm van Horstmann for Tzeentch hopefully if he comes.

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CA_Nova#4724 wrote:

Hey there, I spoke to a designer about this, it is indeed by design: there isn't any considerable benefit to staying undivided other than the greater variety in mount options so we made that a design choice, become stronger but reduce mount variety or stay undivided and keep your mounts without the advantage of the chaos god flavour boons. Best, CA_Nova

Hi. Maybe you could also address another Undivided-related question.

In WoC tech tree Undivided Chosen can get Cause Fear and Perfect Vigor attributes, which make them stand out in comparison to their Marked counterparts. But Undivided Chaos Knights don't really have anything going for them. 

Chaos Knights of Khorne have Frenzy and Spell Resistance;

Chaos Knights of Slaanesh have Immune to Psychology, Physical Resistance, Devastating Flanker and Soul Hunters(from tech tree);

Chaos Knights of Nurgle have Poison;

Chaos Knights of Tzeentch have Barrier and Magical Attacks;

Undivided Chaos Knights don't have anything. It would be nice if they at least got something from the tech tree, like Undivided Chosen do.

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CA_Nova#4724 wrote:

Hey there, I spoke to a designer about this, it is indeed by design: there isn't any considerable benefit to staying undivided other than the greater variety in mount options so we made that a design choice, become stronger but reduce mount variety or stay undivided and keep your mounts without the advantage of the chaos god flavour boons. Best, CA_NovaIts really sad - loosing armybook loreful options while geting unloreful fails such as Phoenix for Teclos.