the AI seems to be able to do things with their units that the player just cannot do, and I'm not referring to their ability to spam multiple inputs at once (though this might absolutely be contributing to the issue). No, the "new" cheat i'm talking about is the AI's ability to control single entities of a unit of say zombies or goblins. They're able to take one goblin or zombie and spread them out to attack every single one of your ranged units. This also doesn't seem to have any range limit as to how far their single entities (and i say THEIR because the player can't do this without some sort of hack or mod). If you take 2 ranged units and place them behind your frontline, the AI will be able to send single entities of a 100 unit group and engage your ranged while still engaging the frontline. While they've removed (or at least given you the option to remove) their stat cheats. It seems they've either implemented this or they've changed how melee units stick and interact with each other. As the player units seems to get "stuck" far more easily than the AI. The solution? Limit the amount of inputs the AI is allowed or, if a unit isn't ordered to attack a unit they're engaged with, they immediately lose all their melee atk and defense. Sure they should be allowed to input multiple commands, but not to the point where it literally is breaking the game (which with CA's spaghetti code this seems VERY easy nowadays). Anyone else's thoughts on this? Mind you this happens with ANY race you place as that you'll want a frontline and some ranged units. The AI seems to just be able to squeeze single entities through the frontline (and your units aren't smart enough to stop them even if they are heavier).

Now if only they would make them move past melee infantry and characters in order to attack the missile units in the back of the formation instead of forming blobs on our flanks. 

I'll admit I did see something similar in a game recently. One unit managed to lock down 2-3 seperate ranged units which were spread out. I assumed it was just class Total War shenangins.

You can add bending thé units in impossible ways to avoid vortexes.

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Manpersal#3961 wrote:

You can add bending thé units in impossible ways to avoid vortexes.

"everything changed when the unit-benders started glitching"

i have a feeling it's he AI's tendency (again) to route through your army. It seems this behavior has carried over into the AI's actually decision making now yet our units don't realize the unit isn't routing and so let's the enemy unit right by. This is literally the only explanation i can thing as to why this could be happening. I've already proposed losing leadership and melee stats when a unit loses its formation. If a player or AI tries to click a unit through a unit that's already engaged with it, that unit engaging should get free swings like it used to be in Warhammer 2; not even sure why they decided to remove that because the AI will break the game as often as the player does so they should add that back in

I'm very much in favor of A.I. that targets our missile units. The vast majority of the damage that is inflicted on an army will come from spells and or missile units. Foolishly engaging in a melee grind in order to achieve victory is something that needs to be addressed. It's something that is heavily contributing to the demise of enemy races. 

This has happened for ages... they do it on walls too... just walk right past your units on the walls down into your town and go cap stuff... your units can't stop them! It's a pita!

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Funzo#7954 wrote:

I'm very much in favor of A.I. that targets our missile units. The vast majority of the damage that is inflicted on an army will come from spells and or missile units. Foolishly engaging in a melee grind in order to achieve victory is something that needs to be addressed. It's something that is heavily contributing to the demise of enemy races. 

true and i don't disagree with you, i just don't think this should be doable with just a single unit. especially one that's already engaged in melee (remember, i didn't have a gap in my line at all. In most battles if you tried to just run through the gap you'd be alone and stabbed by the rear ranks. Why doesn't this happen in game?). The player should be punished if they don't develop their position as the battle goes on. The thing is, EVEN if you do develop, if a single unit reaches your frontline they can just bypass it and head to the rear. And at that point, why even bring melee infantry if that's how the AI behaves? In TWW2 we didn't use melee because their stats just sucked, in TWW3 we're not going to use them because they just don't work? Really? that's the excuse?

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hurricane501#1568 wrote:

This has happened for ages... they do it on walls too... just walk right past your units on the walls down into your town and go cap stuff... your units can't stop them! It's a pita!

i don't normally hold the walls for this reason and i believe it comes down to ability of the AI to spam attack orders on multiple units all game. There needs to be a hard cap on how many attack commands the ai can issue to a unit (and also limit how many units they can command at once). I wouldn't be against the AI being able to control 2-4 units at a time, but their entire army? and also spamming attack orders on the entire army on seperate units? Rough man, rough. It's sad to see that streamers are still doing the single entity spam still because of this interactions