Please put the cap for lethality at 25% max for melee units and at most 5% for ranged units as the default setting. The current default values not only speed up battles way too much, they also make ranged units way too powerful and I really don't like having ultra-short anti-climactic battles in this game after the base game allowed me to have actual frontlines again.

Overpowered ranged units have already ruined Warhammer's battles (among other things), don't let them ruin these battles too.

lethality certainly needs to be fixed but I don't think it should be reduced like this. It's a good integration just needs to be tidied up a bit.

 for me rather the stats of the armor and the excessive power of the cavalry need to be reviewed urgently

It is amazing gow after 24 years, CA cant get the battles right. No one complained about it with TWP, why the change, and on the oposite side ...

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toskyrun#2614 wrote:

lethality certainly needs to be fixed but I don't think it should be reduced like this. It's a good integration just needs to be tidied up a bit.

 for me rather the stats of the armor and the excessive power of the cavalry need to be reviewed urgently

Ranged unit have been buffed in general for whatever reason. Even with lethality switched off, a couple volleys at max range will cause undue amounts of damage even to heavily protected units. I guess the new stances for whatever reason have stacking damage values because plunging max-range shots shouldn't actually be that strong.

I hate it, it feels like the garbage battles from Warhammer 2 again which were completely ruined by making ranged units so strong.

I played 4 hours of Mycenae last night, who don't even have good ranged units, and was absolutely shredding everything with javelins and low tier archers.

I even restarted and turned lethality off but ranged damage still seemed disproportionately high.  granted I'm in the early game, but ranged seems incredible, and much changed from the original Pharaoh.

As a side note, standing and bracing seemed markedly worse than charging, even when the unit was a designated defender class.  Needs more testing though.

Played a couple of battles today and at max range low tier ranged units were shredding anything with decent armor and a shield even whilst hitting them head on. Ranged needs a serious nerf. 

Don't worry, the devs are aware of it and on discord they said that there will be a corrective patch soon

It seems it isn't even lethality, ranged units are just massively overpowered and destroy whatever you aim them at in seconds.

Won't touch this game until they fix this because I don't need a TW with an even worse ranged meta than Warhammer 2.

Walled siege battles are now utterly unplayable thanks to wall towers and any ranged unit on the walls obliterating whatever dares come close to the walls. That means being the attacker is now an endless exercise in frustration and being the defender means you are practically invincible.

A decent band aid fix is the "Better Shields" mod on the workshop.  Gives roughly +20% block chance to shields across the board.  Obviously unshielded and chariots are still getting dunked on but they have other uses.  Getting shot in the back is still the same as vanilla.

I think chariots should maybe be immune to models getting instant killed, or maybe have multiple "wounds" so they don't instantly explode a few models on the charge?

"if you turn off lethality AI still thinks lethality is a thing and you're losing out on buffs and content that's designed around lethality like boons from the gods.  " That's a pity.

How can I turn off lethality?

​Pace of total war battles is idiotic with the lethality mechanic. We need something to reduce the units insane speed for concluding to an overall slower pace, instead of the lethality that actually make battles insanely fast and a awful clickfest. I don't consider total war games as battles simulator anymore. CA, you games needs slower battles !

I'd like to precise that the lethality mechanic could fit in battles if there were already much slower than actually. 

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I wonder if there's an issue with shields and armor. It may be something as simple as lethality getting calculated before shield block gets taken into account, ditto for armor. If lethality is just completely ignoring shields and/or armor, that's going to make it far more powerful than intended.

I think it's worth taking a very close look at the mechanics to make sure they're working correctly. Lethality chance certainly shouldn't get calculated before shield block. And it should probably be discounted by AP ratio against an armored target - so that a unit with weak AP has a much lower chance of getting a lethality against an armored taret.

All that said, I think javelins need a balance pass in any case. They are extremely deadly right now, with high AP damage combined with insanely high lethality and a high model count. They just vaporize anything that they can get in range of. Bows and slingers also feel quite dangerous, but only against unarmored targets.