Could there be a Norscan faction that isn't Chaos-aligned?

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 3:24:22 PM

I hate what corruption does to the landscape. I would love one of the tribes being neutral, not worshiping the Chaos Gods and not spreading any corruption. It would also make Norsca as a geographical area more interesting.

Is there any lore on a Norscan tribe that doesn't worship Chaos?

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 3:31:28 PM

Nope, none of the currently existing tribes in Norsca oppose Chaos. 

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 3:34:02 PM

That would be the Bjornlings. Look them up.

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 3:42:54 PM

faction? Nope. 


You may find some non chaos individuals around the world but that’s something for an RPG and not a grand strategy or Battle game.

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 3:46:13 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

That would be the Bjornlings. Look them up.

Bjornlings aren't neutral and still worship Chaos. They just abhor mutation and include other gods in their pantheon. 


The depiction of the Bjornlings in SCM: Tribes of the North is more in line with the OP's want, minus the Chaos corruption. So, that would be a solid recommendation if they wanted to try that mod. 

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 4:54:47 PM

Player#213306 wrote:

I hate what corruption does to the landscape. I would love one of the tribes being neutral, not worshiping the Chaos Gods and not spreading any corruption. It would also make Norsca as a geographical area more interesting.

Is there any lore on a Norscan tribe that doesn't worship Chaos?

Nope, all non-Chaos worshiping Norsemen fled south and settled there.


How could one live in Norsca and not worship chaos? The environment is cutthroat and the chaos gods are so very liberal in handing out their gifts that rejecting them represents a massive handicap because Sigmar and Ulric are nowhere near as generous.

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 5:51:11 PM

In theory? Yes! *


Serpent, Hound, Eagle, Crow, Bear and Wolf (all chaos Big Four, Ursun and Ulric) and even Taal (to some extent) are all respected among northeners. Because Norscans respect power.  More to the north - more chaos gods' power, of course. There was a village in some book where the hound and the wolf were on the same totem, if I recall it right.


Some tribes are more traders than raiders. And others just raids in the name of other than chaos gods. And Nordland is basically a tamed Norscan tribe - more or less.


In game? Nope.


In TW:WH3, things escalated too much. Norsca is a full chaos faction, and there is no way back, I am afraid. Not even GW develops non-chaos Norsca in ToW. It would be a big surprise if CA want to and would be allowed to follow that path.



* All the info written next is simplified.


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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 5:54:58 PM

Jirzik#3160 wrote:
Serpent, Hound, Eagle, Crow, Bear and Wolf (all chaos Big Four, Ursun and Ulric) and even Taal (to some extent) are all respected among northeners. Because Norscans respect power.  More to the north - more chaos gods' power, of course. There was a village in some book where the hound and the wolf were on the same totem, if I recall it right.

There's no point worshiping any other gods. Khorne worship pays off up-front the moment you pledge yourself, Sigmar/Ulrich/Taal worship does not. If your neighbor goes for Khorne and you go for Ulrich, your neighbor comes at you bearing his gifts and takes all your stuff because your god will not support you as readily.

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 6:11:55 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Jirzik#3160 wrote:
Serpent, Hound, Eagle, Crow, Bear and Wolf (all chaos Big Four, Ursun and Ulric) and even Taal (to some extent) are all respected among northeners. Because Norscans respect power.  More to the north - more chaos gods' power, of course. There was a village in some book where the hound and the wolf were on the same totem, if I recall it right.

There's no point worshiping any other gods. Khorne worship pays off up-front the moment you pledge yourself, Sigmar/Ulrich/Taal worship does not. If your neighbor goes for Khorne and you go for Ulrich, your neighbor comes at you bearing his gifts and takes all your stuff because your god will not support you as readily.

Khorne is not known for giving his gift for free. Look at Valkia, how hard she had to try and how costly it was for her and the whole village. In-game, if you want gifts from Chaos gods as Norsca, you have to work for it and raze settlements in their name! A lot of settlements, if you want to recruit Killgore Slaymaim.

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 6:15:38 PM

Jirzik#3160 wrote:
Khorne is not known for giving his gift for free. 

All of the chaos gods reward you the moment you pledge yourself to them because that's when you've basically handed them the deed to your soul. It's the classic Faustian bargain. Why do you think the Chaos Marauders all have these bodybuilder physiques? Surely not from protein shakes.

 

Jirzik#3160 wrote:
Look at Valkia, how hard she had to try and how costly it was for her and the whole village.

 Valkia was already strong enough to put down a daemon prince of Slaanesh. It's obvious she was already favored by Khorne and bore his gifts before she became a quasi-daemon princess herself.

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 6:38:39 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

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Bear clans of Ursfjord disagree. 


I don't want to argue. Norsca is mostly chaos-oriented in lore. 80 to 20? 90 to 10? Idk, ask GW writers. But we know for sure there are Norscan traders, and a few Norscan tribes worship southern gods.


But in TW games we have everchosen present. And as soon as the chaos incursion starts, all Norscans go under chaos banners.

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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 8:50:54 PM

None chaos barbarians, Albion or Amazons, for norsca none chaos best you can hope for is maybe a merc unit such as Ragnar's Wolves from game Dark omen, or Ca/gW could give us a Norsca/Albion Subfaction. Which will get a tabletop army one day views from many out there from podcasts to battle reports but to many na sayers for albion in the total war community ruined any chance for none chaos barbarians for total war sorry pal. 


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13 days ago
May 2, 2025, 8:59:32 PM

We were talking about this in a different thread, but essentially, no there aren't really any non-chaos Norscan tribes, yes there could be a non-chaos tribe of Norscans, but they'd just do the exact same thing many of the Norscan tribes already do (trade with and raid the southerners), so there's really no point.

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12 days ago
May 3, 2025, 3:46:20 PM

The Norscans of Skeggi do worship Chaos, but in a far tamer manner. They are neutral to most other factions too, including the Empire.

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12 days ago
May 3, 2025, 5:28:21 PM

Fossoway#5540 wrote:

The Norscans of Skeggi do worship Chaos, but in a far tamer manner. They are neutral to most other factions too, including the Empire.

Which is nonsense because they're right next to Hexoatl who are about as anti-Chaos as it gets so Skeggi should if anything be more dependent on support from the gods, not less.

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12 days ago
May 3, 2025, 7:54:47 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Fossoway#5540 wrote:

The Norscans of Skeggi do worship Chaos, but in a far tamer manner. They are neutral to most other factions too, including the Empire.

Which is nonsense because they're right next to Hexoatl who are about as anti-Chaos as it gets so Skeggi should if anything be more dependent on support from the gods, not less.

It could go either way, pissing of Hexoatl seems unwise.
Either you go full chaos worship to fend them off or you try and keep a low profile as to next attract the lizardmen ire to much.

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11 days ago
May 4, 2025, 3:27:45 AM

elias_heyndrickx#6201 wrote:
It could go either way, pissing of Hexoatl seems unwise.

That ship has sailed if you worship chaos at all and settle in places where you aren't even supposed to be according to the Great Plan.


Skeggi has in fact been under constant assault by the LM, but they keep surviving thanks to the power of bad writing and shoddy and inconsistent worldbuilding.

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11 days ago
May 4, 2025, 11:24:40 AM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:
That ship has sailed if you worship chaos at all and settle in places where you aren't even supposed to be according to the Great Plan.

LM in general though usually don't bother much with settlements along the coast.


Even though that doesn't make a ton of sense for them to do that, that's still traditionally their behavior.

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11 days ago
May 4, 2025, 12:19:58 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Jirzik#3160 wrote:
Serpent, Hound, Eagle, Crow, Bear and Wolf (all chaos Big Four, Ursun and Ulric) and even Taal (to some extent) are all respected among northeners. Because Norscans respect power.  More to the north - more chaos gods' power, of course. There was a village in some book where the hound and the wolf were on the same totem, if I recall it right.

There's no point worshiping any other gods. Khorne worship pays off up-front the moment you pledge yourself, Sigmar/Ulrich/Taal worship does not. If your neighbor goes for Khorne and you go for Ulrich, your neighbor comes at you bearing his gifts and takes all your stuff because your god will not support you as readily.

Except the chaos gods dont just give gifts to everyone and one has to to stuff to get their attention, and in a politheistic world there is very much reason to worship various gods. Khorne wont protect you from winter cold or disease, which the norscans suffer as much as anyone else. They are a functional society, not all their lifes are about killing.

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