​Hi CA team,

Thank you for continuously listening to the community and making an already great game even better!

I've spent over 1,000 hours enjoying Total War: WARHAMMER III and the Shadows of Change DLC. I'm especially grateful for the free addition of the Nan-Gau Grenadiers for Cathay. However, I’d like to suggest a few adjustments to existing units that currently feel underwhelming or underused in the roster—specifically, the Sky Lantern and the Wu Xing War Compass.

These units, in their current state, are difficult to justify including in an army. And if a unit is rarely, if ever, recruited, it’s often a sign that some tuning may be in order.

Sky Lantern

The Sky Lantern feels largely ineffective. A simple yet meaningful change would be to increase its unit size from 1 to 4 while keeping the total health the same (e.g., reducing health per model from 5000 to 1250). This would make it more comparable to Dwarf Gyrobombers and give it a more dynamic battlefield presence without breaking balance.

Wu Xing War Compass

The Wu Xing War Compass is a bit awkward to use and doesn't clearly align with the theme or function of the real-world Wu Xing concept. If reworking its active battlefield abilities is too complex or disruptive, perhaps it could offer passive campaign benefits to enhance its strategic value. For example:

• +2% Casualty Replenishment Rate per Wu Xing War Compass in the army

• +6 Growth per Wu Xing War Compass in the local province

These bonuses should be relatively easy to implement, lore-friendly, and wouldn’t impact PvP balance. They would also give players a meaningful reason to field this unit beyond its current niche use.

Thanks again for all the hard work and your commitment to refining the game. Looking forward to what’s next!

​If increasing the Sky Lantern’s unit size is too complex to implement, an alternative could be to simply reduce its reload time from 12 seconds to 3 seconds and increase its ammunition from 30 to 120.

I agree.

Maybe they’ll be worth it if they get an Engineer HQ. Or perhaps they’ll just get straight buffs.

As long as shooty flying units hard-counter entire races, any buff for them is out of the question.

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

As long as shooty flying units hard-counter entire races, any buff for them is out of the question.

No race would have trouble with Sky Lanterns with the proposed buff. This black and white reasoning is a bad argument.

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Passthechips#4366 wrote:
No race would have trouble with Sky Lanterns with the proposed buff. This black and white reasoning is a bad argument.

Slaanesh is race that can't deal with flying shooting units at all without overinvesting in a particularly weak unit.

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:
Slaanesh is race that can't deal with flying shooting units at all without overinvesting in a particularly weak unit.

Lmao, Slaanesh would have absolutely zero problems with a Cathay army that decided to waste unit slots on a slightly buffed Sky Lantern. 

Marauder Horsemen are also not weak.

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

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Passthechips#4366 wrote:

Lmao, Slaanesh would have absolutely zero problems with a Cathay army that decided to waste unit slots on a slightly buffed Sky Lantern. 

Marauder Horsemen are also not weak.

OP wants to quadruple the amount of the Sky Lanterns in a unit without lowering their DPS, so of course they would hard-counter Slaanesh with his piss-weak defenses. Furies are already a waste of money and Marauder Horsemen...you know you might need those against other things too. Cathay also has quite a lot of ranged firepower, so Marauder Horsemen with their pitiful ranged will just get blown away.

Flying shooty units must not be buffed until CA gets off their lazy asses and improves the performance of flying melee against them.

Just increase the cost until it's balanced. You make it sound like sky junk is instant win against slaanesh. 

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Phenex77#4577 wrote:

Furies are absolutely underrated. Super fast, and have one of the best charge attacks I have seen. Cycle charging furies melts anything, and they are so cost effective for basically no upkeep. 

Some races should be hard counters to others, and force you to change your tactics and unit composition. Having races with the ability to field everything takes away from the asymmetrical gameplay. Marauder Horsemen, and Furies are more than enough to deal with large slow moving flying units. 

I struggle to understand how Furries are routinely disregarded. Aren't they tier-zero units with very fast speed, high damage output, and physical resistance paired with decent armor? Do they even require you build a building in order to recruit them?

Fully agree that Furies already do great against flying vehicle units (with the possible exception of gyrocopters/gyrobombers, which can be slightly oppressive to fight for some factions), and that giving Sky Lanterns extra models would be very unlikely to make them overpowered even in specific match-ups.

You could give them extra models and a single-use bomb ability and I still don't think they'd be that strong.  Gyrocopters had that before WH3 and they certainly weren't overtuned.

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Funzo#7954 wrote:
I struggle to understand how Furries are routinely disregarded. Aren't they tier-zero units with very fast speed, high damage output, and physical resistance paired with decent armor? Do they even require you build a building in order to recruit them?

Have you been to a furry convention? Jokes aside, Furies (at least where Slaanesh is concerned) do require T1 Stables, and do particularly poorly in auto-resolve, which Slaanesh already has a lot of problems with.

I kinda get the point about certain factions not being able to deal with flying shooty units

Trying to attack flying shooty units with melee feels painfull but I don't see an easy fix for it

But the sky lantern legit feels like a massive meme, it does nothing but fire one shot every now and then that does no damage, is very slow and will fold under any pressure

What's even funnier is that has a Lord in it sometimes, making sniping the Lord trivial

No clue what the compass should do I find it hard to use, it does feel a bit underwhelming

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

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OP wants to quadruple the amount of the Sky Lanterns in a unit without lowering their DPS, so of course they would hard-counter Slaanesh with his piss-weak defenses. Furies are already a waste of money and Marauder Horsemen...you know you might need those against other things too. Cathay also has quite a lot of ranged firepower, so Marauder Horsemen with their pitiful ranged will just get blown away.

Flying shooty units must not be buffed until CA gets off their lazy asses and improves the performance of flying melee against them.

Whenever I read the most hilarious nonsense of the week, I look up and see your name above it.
Let me guess, you are also afraid of Grail Relique doomstacks?

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Funzo#7954 wrote:

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elias_heyndrickx#6201 wrote:

I kinda get the point about certain factions not being able to deal with flying shooty units

Trying to attack flying shooty units with melee feels painfull but I don't see an easy fix for it

But the sky lantern legit feels like a massive meme, it does nothing but fire one shot every now and then that does no damage, is very slow and will fold under any pressure

What's even funnier is that has a Lord in it sometimes, making sniping the Lord trivial

No clue what the compass should do I find it hard to use, it does feel a bit underwhelming

Flying units tend to have issues attacking fast moving units and units with wonky hurtboxes. This thing falls into exactly neither of those categories. It's a fraudulent argument. It's a tabletop unit that should have never found its way into an entirely different medium. It's irredeemable. 

The mount option for the Lord Magistrate is actually very good if you have the proper support for it. The unit itself is pretty terrible because of its lack of utility and damage output. It has the damage profile of Crane Gunners -- as far as range, reload and such -- but with 14 fewer models. 

I just ment to bring up the issue of flying units have trouble being attacked properly. Kinda feels glitchy.

You see the same issue on land with units on mounts missing other lords heroes all the time when they are retreating and they just kinda push them.

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elias_heyndrickx#6201 wrote:

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Funzo#7954 wrote:

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elias_heyndrickx#6201 wrote:

I kinda get the point about certain factions not being able to deal with flying shooty units

Trying to attack flying shooty units with melee feels painfull but I don't see an easy fix for it

But the sky lantern legit feels like a massive meme, it does nothing but fire one shot every now and then that does no damage, is very slow and will fold under any pressure

What's even funnier is that has a Lord in it sometimes, making sniping the Lord trivial

No clue what the compass should do I find it hard to use, it does feel a bit underwhelming

Flying units tend to have issues attacking fast moving units and units with wonky hurtboxes. This thing falls into exactly neither of those categories. It's a fraudulent argument. It's a tabletop unit that should have never found its way into an entirely different medium. It's irredeemable. 

The mount option for the Lord Magistrate is actually very good if you have the proper support for it. The unit itself is pretty terrible because of its lack of utility and damage output. It has the damage profile of Crane Gunners -- as far as range, reload and such -- but with 14 fewer models. 

I just ment to bring up the issue of flying units have trouble being attacked properly. Kinda feels glitchy.

You see the same issue on land with units on mounts missing other lords heroes all the time when they are retreating and they just kinda push them.

The issue of units not being hit by other units is 100% a legitimate argument. The people that are arguing against this particular hunk junk (no relation) being improved are not making a valid argument, because it doesn't fall into those groups.