Miao Ying and Zhao Ming started a trend having an accompanying lore of magic that was opposite of their Yin or Yang affinity. Yuan Bo almost completely bucked that trend by having a more diverse spell selection that couldn't be nailed down so easily. Does Li Dao replicate the trend that was started by Zhao Ming and Miao Ying, or does he blaze (hehe dragon humor) his own trail and become the first pure Yang caster? He could be truly his father's son. 

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kaiki#4128 wrote:
If Li Dao is supposed to have the Lore of Fire, then the other lore is better to be Yin rather than Yang.

Would he be the third sibling to get Talons of Night, or would his capstone spell be the Ancestral Warriors summon? 

If he gets Kindlefame as a lore passive it would go better with Yang than Yin. 

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DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:

It SHOULD be:

Miao Ying: Yin/Heavens

Zhao Ming: Yang/Metal

Yuan Bo: Yin/Yang/Light/Shadows
Li Dao: Yang/Fire
Yin-Yin:  Yin/Life

Why wouldn't Yuan Bo have the lore of Heavens? Why wouldn't Yin Yin have the lore of Beasts? The other dragon was the light dragon. What's more, I'm pretty sure that they know all of the elemental winds. 

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Funzo#7954 wrote:

Why wouldn't Yuan Bo have the lore of Heavens?

Because that's what Miao Ying should have in her capacity as the Storm Dragon.

Funzo#7954 wrote:

Why wouldn't Yin Yin have the lore of Beasts?

Lore of Beasts has no aquatic spells, Lore of Life does (in the lore, such as Geyser/Quagmirk's Embrace). 

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:

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Funzo#7954 wrote:

Why wouldn't Yuan Bo have the lore of Heavens?

Because that's what Miao Ying should have in her capacity as the Storm Dragon.

Funzo#7954 wrote:

Why wouldn't Yin Yin have the lore of Beasts?

Lore of Beasts has no aquatic spells, Lore of Life does (in the lore, such as Geyser/Quagmirk's Embrace). 

That's not how it works. He is the master of that particular wind of magic. His father's clear affinity for the lore has lead him to make it a focal point for his empire. Yuan Bo is the head of the ASTROMANCERS of the CELESTIAL Empire. You're focusing entirely on what is essentially a nickname. What's more, storms are often directly associated with water. Whether it's flooding or a light drizzle. 

Why does she need aquatic spells? Where is this train of thought coming from? Miao Ying has water DIRECTLY linked to her. Yin Yin is linked with wood, but not wood itself, rather woods or trees. Why wouldn't she be associated with the lore of Beasts? Aren't their creatures in the seas as well as the forests? 

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DreamTraveler3#2244 wrote:

I still long for the day when Cathay receives more thematic and unique versions of their lores. Especially for some of them at the least: The Wind of Water that Miao Ying uses should have Water spells, not Life. It represents an aspect of Ghyran much better fitting to how Cathay is described as seeing it culturally. Same for Yin Yin using the Lore of Beasts. It should be Wood spells, not Beasts. Yuan Bo should have Earth/Stone spells based around jade crystals or summoning terracotta foot soldiers or something.

I mean I understand where CA was coming from when they designed how Grand Cathay views the Winds of Magic. But if they have these unique cultural understandings and disciplines of them that should be reflected in the game itself both on tabletop and in Total War I think. Making things more similar to the spells used by Nu Wa from Smite or Patchouli Knowledge from Touhou Project for example would be a much better implementation I think.

This is one area where they stumbled in my opinion. They should have made -- or been allowed to make -- distinct applications for the Elemental Winds of Grand Cathay. This would have solved a lot of issues. 

In my view, they should have been a bit more aggressive in pruning away the old Cathayan lore. It looks like it may have painted them into some corners. 

We may get more clarity in time. Perhaps after the official book is released to the public. 

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kaiki#4128 wrote:
I don't see why man has to go with Yang, while woman to Yin. It is not like that. Shugengans are all female in the game.

They've since pivoted away from that. That was more pervasive in the beginning but much like the Alchemists being outcasts it has been subtly changed. 

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:

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Funzo#7954 wrote:

That's not how it works. He is the master of that particular wind of magic. His father's clear affinity for the lore has lead him to make it a focal point for his empire. Yuan Bo is the head of the ASTROMANCERS of the CELESTIAL Empire. You're focusing entirely on what is essentially a nickname. What's more, storms are often directly associated with water. Whether it's flooding or a light drizzle. 

Look at the Dawn of Cathay trailer, look at Miao Ying's effects in-game. Her aesthetic association with storms is lightning, not water. Ergo, Lore of Heavens is what she should have for consistency. And frankly, Yuan Bo's aesthetic almost screams Lore of Life more than anything else.

I know what Yuan Bo is supposed to be, but neither him or Miao Ying are aesthetically consistant. I mean according to the Wuxing he is even supposed to be yellow, not green. 

Funzo#7954 wrote:

Why does she need aquatic spells? Where is this train of thought coming from? Miao Ying has water DIRECTLY linked to her. Yin Yin is linked with wood, but not wood itself, rather woods or trees. Why wouldn't she be associated with the lore of Beasts? Aren't their creatures in the seas as well as the forests? 

Yin-Yin, as the Sea Dragon, should obviously have an aquatic theme. Lore of Beasts doesn't have that. In fact it doesn't have spells in-game associated with either wood or water. It has land-based creatures, no sea-based ones.

DreamTraveler3#2244 wrote:

With dragons like Miao Ying or Yin Yin that have natures that differ from their wind elements there’s always the option of adding lightning/sea based abilities if desired imo. Or adding in specific spells from other lores in some way. Just so long as they feel balanced in the end.

Not talking about abilities here, we're talking about lores of magic. And to be consistant, Miao Ying would need Lore of Heavens in its entirety. And ideally Yin-Yin would have Lore of Deeps, but its pretty Undead-contaminated so Life is the next best thing.

That's not how it works. She is DIRECTLY tied to water. Discounting that is a total nonstarter. Water is associated with life in Warhammer and Wu Xing. There's nothing inappropriate or inconsistent about it. 

Nothing about Yuan Bo even whispers life magic. I believe that jade is associated with magic in Warhammer. He is the most magically attuned of the siblings. His association with the earth is not the same as the physical earth itself -- at least under Wu Xing. It's about grounding and -- I believe -- balancing. 

This is not the empire or the elves. Their ways of doing things are their own. Miao Ying doesn't wear black because it looks cool. Zhao Ming doesn't wear white because it's not after labor day. They have a system in place and everyone has been plugged into their place in that system. 

Is Yin Yin the Sea Dragon because she lives in the actual sea, or because she is command of the nation's navy? The lore of Beasts doesn't have any limitation on the creatures that it impacts in the game. In fact, it has a summon spell that calls forth flying creatures and a direct damage spells that calls forth a murder of crows. 

It feels like GW started to design some of the dragon characters, and then went "Oh, lets tie them to the wuxing symbols" a bit

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
 look at Miao Ying's effects in-game

She pukes out water in her combat animations.