Will we actually see the Monkey King as a Playable LL?

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23 days ago
Apr 6, 2025, 5:42:30 PM

So this is something I have been wondering for quite some time, and the question just keeps coming back to me: Will the MK actually be represented as playable LL or will he be a largley offscreen entity that Li Dao (and possibly the other Cathayan factions) are able to interact with via events, similar how the Dragon Emperor and Moon Empress are represented?


Now I should preface this by say that I hope my suspiscion is wrong and we actually do get the MK as a playable faction as unique as possible. I don't want him to be an offscreen entity only. It is just something that I keep thinking about.


So why do I fear this? Well there are two main reasons:


1. Li Dao doesn't really work if the MK is playable. Because then he is just a pointless LL, given his lore states "Cathayan faction with Monkey/Tigermen units" which is basically the exact same that the MK. Meaning Li Dao is just a less unique MK. Now I know many people say "Li Dao will be FLC!" however that also doesn't really work: Because the Tiger and Monkey Warriors would be DLC units. So Li Dao would be an FLC Lord that is focused on... units that you need to buy a DLC for to actually use (and also his lore clearly all being about "he makes deals with MK to use MK units" so his mechanics would kind of necessitate acess those same units), meaning he doesn't really work as an FLC character, and if you do buy the DLC he is utterly redundant as the MK is probably a lot more unique than him.


2. GWs recent squeamishness when it comes to copyright and public domain characters: Case in point Baba Yagga becoming Mother Ostankya, and then the plans for Ostankya and Kislevs Hags being severly downplayed i.e: the cutting of the Chicken Legged Hut (which was even her old faction icon) and removal of Hag Mothers (which CA heavily implying they wanted to include them but GW said no). And the MK is a public domain character, which makes me wonder GW will also try to downplay him, make him more a background/lore entity than an actual playable character: And thus instead have Li Dao the playable LL who indirectly interacts with the MK through his mechanics.


Again I hope I am wrong with this and we get a playable MK and CA finds a way to give players a reason to actually play Li Dao instead of him just being "less unique monkey king faction with slightly more buffs for Cathayan units". But I just can't help but have that worry at the back of my head.

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23 days ago
Apr 6, 2025, 7:05:52 PM

They hinted at Monkey Magic (and elite infantry) in the 4.2 release notes for Cathay, so that ought to be coming.



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23 days ago
Apr 6, 2025, 7:32:46 PM

1. Li Dao will work fine alongside MK.

2. They will give him a unique name and look.


I wouldn't spend a second working if the MK will appear, he's been hinted strongly by CA and he will come, very little doubt about that.

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23 days ago
Apr 6, 2025, 7:39:43 PM

MK, thanquol, neferata and nagash are the confirmed unconfirmed LLs. 


It’s more a question of when for those lords

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23 days ago
Apr 6, 2025, 8:30:49 PM

Theo91#7431 wrote:

MK, thanquol, neferata and nagash are the confirmed unconfirmed LLs. 


It’s more a question of when for those lords

AND Todbringer.

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 2:53:11 AM

MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:

Yes we likely see him, no he probably won't be a mostly humanoid guy with vaguely monkey features and a quarterstaff.

Looking at the snippet of MK icon in the old world map, I believe he won't stray far off Wukong archetype

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 2:54:24 AM

talonn#7575 wrote:

Looking at the snippet of MK icon in the old world map, I believe he won't stray far off Wukong archetype

considering that Mother Ostankya got stripped of everything that made her interesting, I don't see Monkey King not also getting stripped of a lot of his Sun Wukong similarities.

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 2:56:00 AM

MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:

talonn#7575 wrote:

Looking at the snippet of MK icon in the old world map, I believe he won't stray far off Wukong archetype

considering that Mother Ostankya got stripped of everything that made her interesting, I don't see Monkey King not also getting stripped of a lot of his Sun Wukong similarities.

I am just basing my guess on the latest reveal/info from official source

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 3:03:00 AM

talonn#7575 wrote:

I am just basing my guess on the latest reveal/info from official source

That "info" was a single icon on a map, that also had a tiger icon. GW made it abundantly clear with Ostankya that "she was her own character", and considering they took the Slavic folklore character and stripped a bunch of them away for Ostankya, they almost assuredly will to the same with Sun Wukong into Monkey King 

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 3:11:17 AM

MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:

talonn#7575 wrote:

I am just basing my guess on the latest reveal/info from official source

That "info" was a single icon on a map, that also had a tiger icon. GW made it abundantly clear with Ostankya that "she was her own character", and considering they took the Slavic folklore character and stripped a bunch of them away for Ostankya, they almost assuredly will to the same with Sun Wukong into Monkey King 

that icon still quite a big reveal. It gives strong indication that the MK's face is still inspired by Wukong.


Show that icon to any random asians and I am sure they will guess its wukong straight away

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 3:32:26 AM

Ingr8#8085 wrote:

They hinted at Monkey Magic (and elite infantry) in the 4.2 release notes for Cathay, so that ought to be coming.



I've never seen a mention of monkey magic. I only saw them mention monkeying around. 

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 3:35:12 AM

I don't see the problem with Li Dao and the MK sharing units while being in a cold war with one another. Kislev is doing exactly that. 

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 6:35:21 AM

Cathay armybook exist and have six Legendary Lords. Three are already present. Safe bet other three will appear:


Li Dao - Fire Monks focus.


Monke King - Monkey Warriors & Tigermen focus. Melee monkey/tiger lord and hero.


Yin-Yin - Naval theme, tricky to predict her new units.


One as FLC and other two with their own DLC each imho.


Thanquol, Nagash and Monke King would be killer DLC. 

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 7:00:02 AM

Anedon26#2490 wrote:
And the MK is a public domain character, which makes me wonder GW will also try to downplay him, make him more a background/lore entity than an actual playable character

If name was a problem then GW would've change it. 

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22 days ago
Apr 7, 2025, 7:16:10 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:

Anedon26#2490 wrote:
And the MK is a public domain character, which makes me wonder GW will also try to downplay him, make him more a background/lore entity than an actual playable character

If name was a problem then GW would've change it. 

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