My hopes for 7.0 map updates

pether#9857

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 12:09:36 AM

Ind unlocked:

- New High Elf LL starts there

- New Dark Elf/Norsca/whoever LL starts there

- Abral moved there

- Mask starting in East part of Southren Chaos Waste, so she had quick access to Ind

- Dechala starting in north of Kuresh, so she had quick access to Ind

Add magical forest North-East from Kislev for Ostankya

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 12:13:56 AM

Can't agree more.

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 12:17:14 AM

Sounds good!

My fear is that the Masque's start in the Southern Wastes will just end up with her having the same start over and over again, like Kairos had before 6.1.

The Southern Wastes really are boring in comparison to what the North has to offer. Maybe They'll redo the Southern Wastes at some point.

But generally I agree.

Updated a month ago.

SerPus#7395

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 1:10:45 AM

pether#9857 wrote:
Mask starting in East part of Southren Chaos Waste

Why?

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 1:15:42 AM

I agree with Ind being opened up, but disagree with some of your points.

If we get High Elves, the LL will probably be Sea Lord Aislinn, and I think he should start in The Eastern Colonies.

If we get Norsca, the LL will probably be Sayl the Faithless, and he should start where his tribe is, the Dolgan Tribe.

The Masque should start somewhere in one of the human nations; my first choice would be in Grand Cathay, second choice in Bretonnia.

Dechala can start in the northeast of Ind, and Arbaal can start in the southwest of Ind.

Updated a month ago.

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 2:16:42 AM

Move either Masque or Dechala to Grand Cathay IMO. Preferably Masque; there was some lore mentioned in the first Grand Cathay cult that a "Cult of the Painted Skin" was gaining prominence in Beichai in recent years; anyone familiar with the Chinese story of the painted skin would clearly see that this is a pretty solid parralel for a Slaanesh demon, not a Tzeentchian one. Plus I enjoy the idea of a city that is traditionally a hotbed of Chi'an Chi cultists getting taken over by the new Slaanesh cultists on the block instead. Beichai as such would be a good start, providing a new enemy in the region for Cathay making unifying the country harder when playing as Miao or Zhao.

I agree with Dechala in Khuresh as well. Same thing ideally, Khuresh being added would make Cathay a bit less secure as they have to worry about a rival empire forming to their south. Wherever Dechala is she should of course be poised more towards a new Ind than Cathay; obviously the one issue with Slaanesh in Beichai is that if Dechala and Masque do well in campaigns you have two Slaanesh empires relatively close by which may not be fun. But still I think given the painted skin lore mention it makes more sense.

Updated a month ago.

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 3:12:01 AM

pether#9857 wrote:
Ind unlocked:
- New High Elf LL starts there

Imrik should move to the City of Spires.

Aislinn should start at the Tower of the Sun for now and move to the Gates of Calith once Khuresh opens up.

pether#9857 wrote:
- Arbaal moved there

Yes.

pether#9857 wrote:
Masque starting in East part of Southern Chaos Wastes

Yes.

pether#9857 wrote:
Add magical forest North-East from Kislev for Ostankya

Inside Kislev.

SerPus#7395 wrote:
Why?

Because a dog**** LL deserves a dog**** start position.

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 3:47:02 AM

Kairos now starts with a cult in Bretonnia and one in the Northern Chaos Wastes, and that's a great thing for replayability, and even more so for isolated Daemons.

I hope this system will be extended to Skarbrand, Ku'gath, and N'kari. Even to others like Changeling, Tamurkhan, Epidemius, Arbaal, Dechala, and the Masque.

I think Dechala will be in Khuresh to represent the threat of the Snakemen, which they won't deign to pose to us.

The Masque could easily start almost anywhere, especially with cults that allow him to teleport to other locations, perhaps to the east of Kairos, or she could represent the dances and voluptuous perfume of Ind.

If Aislinn is in the DLC (or a subsequent one), I'd like to see him either in the Eastern Colonies, or at the Gates of Calith, or in the City of Spears (Ind), or in the Lost Elithis Isles. From there, he could monitor the sea caravans and have his revenge against Lokhir and his rivalry with Yin-Yin.

If Yin-Yin is chosen, I could see her with a double start, on the east coast of Cathay and somewhere in Southland (so not far from the Eastern Colonies).

If the Monkey King is chosen, he should be in the Mountains of Heaven between Cathay and Ind.

If Tullaris is chosen, I would see him starting on the shores of Ulthuan, not too far from the sword of Khaine, not too far from Morathi to destroy her cult of pleasure as well as the High Elves.

If Sayl the Faithless is chosen, he can literally start anywhere, but his Dolgan tribe is already Kholek's vassal faction and Tamurkhan's enemy... So, it's not a good idea to have him start there, maybe in the Mountains of Mourn, or in the Eastern Steppes if they finally expand the map. (It can be a good idea to move Kholek as well since Tamurkhan is here).

If Thanquol is chosen, I'd like him to start in Khuresh, close to the Gates of Calith, which he plans to invade in his lore. We also know there's a huge warpstone deposit in Khuresh.

If Tetto'eko is chosen, I hope he starts either in Khuresh, searching for the Lost City of the Old Ones, or on the Ind coast in the Lizards Sea, close to Dragons Isles, given his strong connection to Tepok.

If Araloth the Bold is chosen, he can start in any magical forest on the map (I hope they'll add a few, but it seems like a bad start, given that they don't want to put one near Kislev...).

If Bertrand the Brigand is chosen, I'd like him to start in the Borders Prince, to represent the Bretonnians exiled there, and the mercenary and bandit lair that populates this region.

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 8:07:55 AM

pether#9857 wrote:
- New High Elf LL starts there

It certainly would make sense for the Phoenix King to start somewhere around there. He visited the lands before.

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 8:27:41 AM

I hope they will add all the new HE Colonies in the Old World as well as the ones ion the New world!

- Tor Martel

- Dragons Maw

- Silent isle

- Shrouded Isle

- Tulshanar

- Northern Gates of Calith

- Southern Gates of Calith

- City of Spire

- Tor Elithis

- Tower of the Rising Sun

pether#9857

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pether#9857

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 8:28:43 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:

pether#9857 wrote:
Mask starting in East part of Southren Chaos Waste
Why?

It's not the biggest request, but I wanted to cover all LLs from 7.0.

The Mask could start IMO nearly anywhere, but Southren Chaos Wastes make sense - there is already Slaanesh fraction there, it is close to Ind being theater of war for 7.0, and it's far enough from Cathay to avoid two Slaanesh fraction (her and Dechala) fighting there, it would be too much Slaanesh and too boring.

Also - where else could she start?

Empire has already bad time at the start, there is no need for another demon there

Kislev is already overwhelmed, though moving Abral would give them a bit more freedom. Still, tere is already Slaanesh nearby

Lustria? Is there enough space there?

Perhaps areas of Nagaroth...

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 8:42:34 AM

Would be great

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Apr 1, 2025, 8:42:45 AM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
I hope they will add all the new HE Colonies in the Old World

Well, most of those aren't there anymore. And they're also all located on little islands off the coast. So CA would have to do a bunch of terraforming to add them.

We can't even get them to add some woods to Kislev.

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Apr 1, 2025, 8:48:33 AM

AHumpierRogue#5296 wrote:
Move either Masque or Dechala to Grand Cathay IMO. Preferably Masque; there was some lore mentioned in the first Grand Cathay cult that a "Cult of the Painted Skin" was gaining prominence in Beichai in recent years; anyone familiar with the Chinese story of the painted skin would clearly see that this is a pretty solid parralel for a Slaanesh demon, not a Tzeentchian one. Plus I enjoy the idea of a city that is traditionally a hotbed of Chi'an Chi cultists getting taken over by the new Slaanesh cultists on the block instead. Beichai as such would be a good start, providing a new enemy in the region for Cathay making unifying the country harder when playing as Miao or Zhao.

That idea was squashed when we got the Unusual Locations. Beichai is still very much a Tzeentchian base:

Which would make it a rather nice excuse to move the Changeling to Cathay, so that we can have what was set up for us with the short story leading up to SoC. And in any case, Beichai is in the same province as Fu-Chow, so that's automatically going to Yin-Yin's dual start.

Updated a month ago.

Captain_Rex#1635

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 8:49:50 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:
Why?

Because that area is empty and perfect for a Slaanesh Daemon. Also close to Teclis and Tor Elasor.

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 8:53:13 AM

DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:
Well, most of those aren't there anymore.

Thats why they should be ruins. But as Aislinn I wanna restore the Sealords Realm to its former glory! Would make the map feel so much more alive and immersive. And the map is big enough so they would just have to add a few islands here and there. No biggie at all.

Check my outstanding Sealord AIslin Mechanics thread if you want more details about my magnificent ideas for him.

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SerPus#7395

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 9:04:59 AM

pether#9857 wrote:
but Southren Chaos Wastes make sense

For Masque specifically it makes the least sense. It's not like Beastfiends living there are into art or something like that.

pether#9857 wrote:
Also - where else could she start?

Cathay would be fine.

TheWattman#7460

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 9:14:34 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:
For Masque specifically it makes the least sense. It's not like Beastfiends living there are into art or something like that.

We need more Chaos starts down there. Ideally 1 Daemon from each god (so move Epidemius and Skulltaker down there once it expands). With N'kari in Ulthuan and Dechala in Ind, Masque would be elected. And its not like the Beastfiends are into knowledge either, but Kairos is there regardless. Masque could start in The Daemonium Hills, the province where Agrammon's Menagerie is located.

SerPus#7395 wrote:
Cathay would be fine.

Nothing Slaaneshi about Cathay. That's all Tzeentch, despite speculations to the contrary. Changeling should move there instead.

pether#9857

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pether#9857

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 9:15:36 AM

SerPus#7395 wrote:
Cathay would be fine.

With Dechala in Kuresh, there would be too much Slaanesh there

Captain_Rex#1635

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a month ago

Apr 1, 2025, 9:19:39 AM

pether#9857 wrote:
With Dechala in Kuresh

We don't know that. She might as well just start in the Chaos Wastes for all we know. Just keep in mind what happened with Arbaal.

Also, Dechala has no business with Khuresh, if she starts in that area it would be Ind but even that is not guaranteed.

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