CA cannot add Vangheist unless they also add a 6th LL. GW only allowed them to have 50% of the Coast LLs from Dreadfleet. There might be some legal loopholes here but as far as we know another Dreadfleet LL is off the table. I also doubt that they will get a DLC at all. MAybe Captain Drekkla as a LH but I wouldn't hold hold my breath here either. 

TK are almost certainly going to get a DLC at some point. Just like the Ogres, they have a perfect DLC sized hole in their roster. 

I would personally love something like Norsca x Cathay x TK. Not only would it play with the classic Ice vs Sand trope but also with the concept of these 2 most ancient human civilisations getting at each other. 

For the TK LL.... everything is possible. I personally would be fine withg either Ramhotep, Sehenesmet or even Tutankahanut. Ramhotep seems the most likely tho sinvce he would be a pure support LL buffing the construct theme. 

Regarding VC, we need a Bloodlines DLC, nothing else is acceptable. At least Neferata and Zacharias are absolute must have LLs. 

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

I would personally love something like Norsca x Cathay x TK. Not only would it play with the classic Ice vs Sand trope but also with the concept of these 2 most ancient human civilisations getting at each other. 

Not to mention serve as a stand-in matchup for Settra's campaigns against the Norscans.

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MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:
If CA make Apophas a LL (not that he probably should, but after Malakai who knows), he would fit in the next dlc against Dechala with them both having seemingly impossible tasks. Could also have them even if it's not Apophas

Apophas's quest is literally impossible. Usirian made sure as much. Dechala just needs to kill Samael, which fits perfect for a questline.

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Should get a Bloodlines pack instead of this.

LL: Neferata in Silver Pinnacle

LL: Walach Harkon in Blood Keep

LL:  Zacharias somewhere exotic

LL:  Ushoran in Morgheim

LH:  Konrad

TKs

LL: Sehenesmet, in the Warpstone Desert, trying to capture Cathayan constructs for study

LH:  Apophis

VCoast

LL:  Zheng Shih, in the Serpent Estuary

LH:  Vanghiest

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MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:
If CA make Apophas a LL (not that he probably should, but after Malakai who knows)

If CA actually decide to spend resources on Apophas, he will be an LL. 

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MODIDDLY1#9212 wrote:
If CA make Apophas a LL (not that he probably should, but after Malakai who knows)

If CA actually decide to spend resources on Apophas, he will be an LL. 

And on second thought...Apophas is likely to be an LL or Ramhotep as Malakai but with a design bias, for given that CA hinted at Apophas in terms of his scarabs, he may be an LL who knows. And considering there hasn't been a DLC for Vampires since the first installment...it's only fair that they need something more than an LP

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:

Tomb Kings would ideally match up against Empire, especially if its either of the Necrotects Ramhotep or Sehenesmet. The reason? Tomb Kings 8th edtion, page 59:

Plop down a TK expedition in the Black Mountains, ready to invade the Empire. Specifically it'd be a DLC with Kurt Helborg, representing Reikland with new Knights and Steam Tanks. Third race, a core, would either be Khorne, for a heavy-hitter smashing theme, or Kislev, which would be an Imperial ally against the invasion.

As for Vampires? Thematically Kislev would be a great opponent for Neferata, if its a LP for Vampires rather than a Bloodlines. KSL v VC v Dwarfs, who Neferata took Silver Pinnacle (Karaz Bryn) away from.

And if you think about the Dwarfs, it's the perfect opportunity to close them with one (or two LLs) with the addition of Lord Engineer and related, and for Kislev we could do an Unholy-themed one. I mean, we have Ostankia, Kostaltin, Katarina and Boris, but still need someone from a different folk status

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SafironDracolich#6190 wrote:

And if you think about the Dwarfs, it's the perfect opportunity to close them with one (or two LLs) with the addition of Lord Engineer and related, and for Kislev we could do an Unholy-themed one. I mean, we have Ostankia, Kostaltin, Katarina and Boris, but still need someone from a different folk status

Well rather the Kislevites would get to complete the Orthodoxy theme. Led by either the Gryphon Legion Commander or a more proper Ungol Warlord.

SafironDracolich#6190 wrote: 

And on second thought...Apophas is likely to be an LL or Ramhotep as Malakai but with a design bias, for given that CA hinted at Apophas in terms of his scarabs, he may be an LL who knows.

He really shouldn't. It would be very lorebreaking if he was given the oppertunity to actually complete his quest.

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

CA cannot add Vangheist unless they also add a 6th LL. GW only allowed them to have 50% of the Coast LLs from Dreadfleet. There might be some legal loopholes here but as far as we know another Dreadfleet LL is off the table. I also doubt that they will get a DLC at all. MAybe Captain Drekkla as a LH but I wouldn't hold hold my breath here either. 

TK are almost certainly going to get a DLC at some point. Just like the Ogres, they have a perfect DLC sized hole in their roster. 

I would personally love something like Norsca x Cathay x TK. Not only would it play with the classic Ice vs Sand trope but also with the concept of these 2 most ancient human civilisations getting at each other. 

For the TK LL.... everything is possible. I personally would be fine withg either Ramhotep, Sehenesmet or even Tutankahanut. Ramhotep seems the most likely tho sinvce he would be a pure support LL buffing the construct theme. 

Regarding VC, we need a Bloodlines DLC, nothing else is acceptable. At least Neferata and Zacharias are absolute must have LLs. 

So, according to you, if we can expect anything for VCoast, it's only a patch revamp and the addition of Captain Drekla as LH. And for TK and VC we can expect DLCs, and Vampires need something more. Not on the level of CoC but closer

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:

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SafironDracolich#6190 wrote:

And if you think about the Dwarfs, it's the perfect opportunity to close them with one (or two LLs) with the addition of Lord Engineer and related, and for Kislev we could do an Unholy-themed one. I mean, we have Ostankia, Kostaltin, Katarina and Boris, but still need someone from a different folk status

Well rather the Kislevites would get to complete the Orthodoxy theme. Led by either the Gryphon Legion Commander or a more proper Ungol Warlord.

SafironDracolich#6190 wrote: 

And on second thought...Apophas is likely to be an LL or Ramhotep as Malakai but with a design bias, for given that CA hinted at Apophas in terms of his scarabs, he may be an LL who knows.

He really shouldn't. It would be very lorebreaking if he was given the oppertunity to actually complete his quest.

And if we talk about Orthodoxy or Ungolov, then maybe just this will give a good reason to update Kostaltin with his recruitment of patriarchs instead of ice witches that don't really suit him. Speaking of Apaphas, in fact, you can make it LH where you will need to kill a number of enemies on a quest to kill the number of enemies with the help of a grave swarm (scarabs for short) and the main goal to get it, and then he will give them buffs that would be logical

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
He really shouldn't. It would be very lorebreaking if he was given the oppertunity to actually complete his quest.

+1

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SafironDracolich#6190 wrote:
So, according to you, if we can expect anything for VCoast, it's only a patch revamp and the addition of Captain Drekla as LH. And for TK and VC we can expect DLCs, and Vampires need something more. Not on the level of CoC but closer

Yes pretty much. Don’t get me wrong I would love a VCoast DLC with someone like Vangheist or Mundvard the Cruel but I just don’t think it’s likely. 

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

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SafironDracolich#6190 wrote:
So, according to you, if we can expect anything for VCoast, it's only a patch revamp and the addition of Captain Drekla as LH. And for TK and VC we can expect DLCs, and Vampires need something more. Not on the level of CoC but closer

Yes pretty much. Don’t get me wrong I would love a VCoast DLC with someone like Vangheist or Mundvard the Cruel but I just don’t think it’s likely. 

No, I also understand everything perfectly well, but if according to you CA has limited in terms of materials, then who knows that maybe we should expect only revork and Drekla, not more than that

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SafironDracolich#6190 wrote:

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

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SafironDracolich#6190 wrote:
So, according to you, if we can expect anything for VCoast, it's only a patch revamp and the addition of Captain Drekla as LH. And for TK and VC we can expect DLCs, and Vampires need something more. Not on the level of CoC but closer

Yes pretty much. Don’t get me wrong I would love a VCoast DLC with someone like Vangheist or Mundvard the Cruel but I just don’t think it’s likely. 

No, I also understand everything perfectly well, but if according to you CA has limited in terms of materials, then who knows that maybe we should expect only revork and Drekla, not more than that

Drekla is really missing since he is basically Lutgors second in command. He is like Tamurkhans Kayzk more or less and having him as a pointless follower is just sad. 

He is a powerful Vampire in his own right and I think every race should have at least 1 LH. 

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

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SafironDracolich#6190 wrote:

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

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SafironDracolich#6190 wrote:
So, according to you, if we can expect anything for VCoast, it's only a patch revamp and the addition of Captain Drekla as LH. And for TK and VC we can expect DLCs, and Vampires need something more. Not on the level of CoC but closer

Yes pretty much. Don’t get me wrong I would love a VCoast DLC with someone like Vangheist or Mundvard the Cruel but I just don’t think it’s likely. 

No, I also understand everything perfectly well, but if according to you CA has limited in terms of materials, then who knows that maybe we should expect only revork and Drekla, not more than that

Drekla is really missing since he is basically Lutgors second in command. He is like Tamurkhans Kayzk more or less and having him as a pointless follower is just sad. 

He is a powerful Vampire in his own right and I think every race should have at least 1 LH. 

Exactly, and in the End of Times as far as I remember Drekla was a hero, the main helper and Luther. And at the same time, you can do the same with the Grave Swarm where instead of the ability (which will be renamed) in addition to scarabs there should be scorpions and other bugs. That is, Drekla should not be a companion, but a hero like Kaizka in Tamurhan, and the Grave Swarm as swarm-units.