Brimstone Horrors? Yay or Nay?

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7 days ago
Mar 12, 2025, 7:39:19 PM

Since CA mentioned some free units, do you think they stand a chance? They were not present in Fantasy but were added to Old World, and they're the only unit I think Tzeentch is currently "missing".  They also have a role (tarpit unit/nurglings equivalent) they currently do not have.


Your thoughts?

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7 days ago
Mar 12, 2025, 7:43:32 PM

They don't have a role in this game. Tzeentch is already pretty darn strong, giving him a cheap chaff unit for even easier magic nuking is not required.

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Mar 12, 2025, 7:55:51 PM

For gameplay reasons? No, no point. Blue horrors are cheap and expendable, so they have no purpose. However, if they come with fun animations like Nurglings, I'd enjoy them.

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Mar 12, 2025, 7:57:20 PM

First of all, the free units are obviously the Nan-Gau Grenadiers and Gnoblar Flingers mentioned last time.


Second, absolutely they should be in.



Fossoway#5540 wrote:

they're the only unit I think Tzeentch is currently "missing"

Chaos Ogres of Tzeentch

Chimera

Giant Spined Beast of Tzeentch

Egrimm's Arcane Trolls

Firewyrm Spawn

Emperor Chaos Dragon

Warpfire Dragon

Giant of Tzeentch

Skin Wolves of Tzeentch

Great Winged Terrors

Bane Towers

+ various BM and Marauder/Warrior/Chosen variants



TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

They don't have a role in this game. Tzeentch is already pretty darn strong, giving him a cheap chaff unit for even easier magic nuking is not required.

Still salty about the Changebringers are we?


Its not a question of how strong the faction is. Its a missing part of their Daemonic roster.

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Mar 12, 2025, 7:57:32 PM

I doubt that we will get them precisely because they are TOW-related. Theoretically, there is no reason to keep them away from TW:WH, because they also exist in 40k and AoS. I would greatly like to see them. Little flamelings living out their spiteful existence.

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Mar 12, 2025, 8:01:07 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

Still salty about the Changebringers are we?


Its not a question of how strong the faction is. Its a missing part of their Daemonic roster.

Tzeentch as a separate faction didn't even exist in WHFB, so you can't say they're missing anything.


Brimstone Horrors only make sense if Horrors had their splitting gimmick as Brimstone Horrors are nothing more than a parting shot. They don't, so what's the point?


Changebringers suck and take away any reason to field the Burning Chariot, so they are a net-negative contribution, there's no debating that. There's a reason they never made it into the proper Tzeentch army in AoS.

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Mar 12, 2025, 8:13:19 PM

Brimstone Horrors absolute yes. I hope their projectile attack will be a low ammo short ranged explosion like the Miners with Blasting Charges. That's a projectile type still missing for Tzeentch. And they would look marvelous.

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Mar 12, 2025, 8:20:01 PM

GreenSmiet#9322 wrote:

Brimstone Horrors absolute yes. I hope their projectile attack will be a low ammo short ranged explosion like the Miners with Blasting Charges. That's a projectile type still missing for Tzeentch. And they would look marvelous.

This is just the thread for horrible ideas, huh?

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Mar 12, 2025, 8:30:13 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Tzeentch as a separate faction didn't even exist in WHFB, so you can't say they're missing anything.

Since they are a Daemonic unit and because such units exists retroactively across all of the Warhammer franchise, they are by definition missing them, regardless if they had separate books or not.



TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Brimstone Horrors only make sense if Horrors had their splitting gimmick as Brimstone Horrors are nothing more than a parting shot. They don't, so what's the point?

Pink Horrors are supposed to split in to Blues and we have them just fine. 



SerPus#7395 wrote:

Hell no. Brimstone horrors is your typical AoS garbage. 

As Daemons, they are by definition Fantasy material as well.

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Mar 12, 2025, 8:54:45 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Tzeentch as a separate faction didn't even exist in WHFB, so you can't say they're missing anything.

Not saying you are wrong, genuine question for elaboration on this point, so I never had Demons of Chaos army book back in the day, only got it recently, Tzeentch is a seperate section in this book like the other chaos factions in 8e, so for my benefit, can you explain a bit more how they are not a separate faction?


Again, not a challenge, just not sure I understand what you mean and assume I may be missing something!

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:01:40 PM

Sure I'd take them at some point. They likely wouldn't be flc with how CA have been doing them (just weapon variants), but a tier 0 unit of 160 of them with each model being two brimstone horrors would be fun. For balance reasons I'd give them like 1 ammo, and really poor melee stats, so they get one volley off and then just soak damage.

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:15:22 PM

steam_16337071113996#2223 wrote:
Not saying you are wrong, genuine question for elaboration on this point, so I never had Demons of Chaos army book back in the day, only got it recently, Tzeentch is a seperate section in this book like the other chaos factions in 8e, so for my benefit, can you explain a bit more how they are not a separate faction?

Yeah, I might deign to tell you the moment you stop abusing run-on sentences like that.

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:21:13 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

steam_16337071113996#2223 wrote:
Not saying you are wrong, genuine question for elaboration on this point, so I never had Demons of Chaos army book back in the day, only got it recently, Tzeentch is a seperate section in this book like the other chaos factions in 8e, so for my benefit, can you explain a bit more how they are not a separate faction?

Yeah, I might deign to tell you the moment you stop abusing run-on sentences like that.

Not sure I follow? I think we have crossed paths before, I am not hostile if that is your take.


I put it that way as these forums of recent days have become hostile, it is a genuine question that I am phrasing in the least confrontational way I can


Edit: Apologies if that has come across in a negative way, was not my intention.


Edit: On re-reading, I can see how that phrasing I used is like "a trap" type of forum hostility method, like I am waiting for you to say something then shoot you down or I am phrasing it in such a way that it is an answer, the book says this, "please explain yourself while I sit on my high horse" haha.


Again, if that was how it was taken, was not my intention, it is a genuine question

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:33:37 PM


steam_16337071113996#2223 wrote:
I put it that way as these forums of recent days have become hostile, it is a genuine question that I am phrasing in the least confrontational way I can
Less commas, more periods.

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:37:41 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:


steam_16337071113996#2223 wrote:
I put it that way as these forums of recent days have become hostile, it is a genuine question that I am phrasing in the least confrontational way I can
Less commas, more periods.

Ok


Tzeentch is a separate section in the army book in 8E.


So or my benefit, can you explain how they are not a separate faction.


Apologies, I probably use commas a mix of change in context, instead of brackets and a supplement to a prose point. 

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:39:24 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Yeah, I might deign to tell you the moment you stop abusing run-on sentences like that.

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:
Less commas, more periods.

Come on dude, uncalled for. Everybody speaks differently.

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:54:50 PM

steam_16337071113996#2223 wrote:
Tzeentch is a separate section in the army book in 8E.
Doesn't make Tzeentch their own full-fledged army, just like Clan Skryre isn't an army of their own just because they have a chapter for themselves in the Skaven armybook.
Don't tell me you can't work out how these things are supposed to function.
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Mar 12, 2025, 10:06:19 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

steam_16337071113996#2223 wrote:
Tzeentch is a separate section in the army book in 8E.
Doesn't make Tzeentch their own full-fledged army, just like Clan Skryre isn't an army of their own just because they have a chapter for themselves in the Skaven armybook.
Don't tell me you can't work out how these things are supposed to function.

Well, that isn't how those books are structured. There is no clan skryre chapter, nor are the units specified to the clan.


So now I think you are just looking for an argument, as opposed to actually having read these and have any insight to offer.


Edit: It was a genuine question, to see what someone else's take on that army book for Demons of chaos and how their view differed from mine, not a trap, not an attack, was genuinely hoping for a different view to my own so I could take away further from that book and evolve my view.

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Mar 12, 2025, 10:18:21 PM

steam_16337071113996#2223 wrote:

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

steam_16337071113996#2223 wrote:
Tzeentch is a separate section in the army book in 8E.
Doesn't make Tzeentch their own full-fledged army, just like Clan Skryre isn't an army of their own just because they have a chapter for themselves in the Skaven armybook.
Don't tell me you can't work out how these things are supposed to function.

Well, that isn't how those books are structured. There is no clan skryre chapter, nor are the units specified to the clan.


So now I think you are just looking for an argument, as opposed to actually having read these and have any insight to offer.


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