High elve´s missing units

ByPiros#6333

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Mar 11, 2025, 8:11:35 PM

-Ships company?

-Sea elf wardancers?

-Trident bearers? (RoR instead?)

-Chracian woodsmen?? (new unit from WEarhammer ToW)

-Lion guard?? (a better version of white lions from Warhammer ToW)

-Marine Bolt-batteries?

-Lothern Skycutter

-Merwyrm

-Incarnate elemental of fire

-Incarnate elemental of life/Sea elemental? (shared with WE)

TheWattman#7460

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TheWattman#7460

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8 days ago

Mar 11, 2025, 8:25:32 PM

You can add the Emperor Dragon to that list. Also the Anointed and Sea Helm generics.

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Mar 11, 2025, 8:50:09 PM

ByPiros#6333 wrote:
-Ships company?
-Sea elf wardancers?
-Trident bearers? (RoR instead?)
-Chracian woodsmen?? (new unit from WEarhammer ToW)
-Lion guard?? (a better version of white lions from Warhammer ToW)

-Marine Bolt-batteries?
-Lothern Skycutter
-Merwyrm
-Incarnate elemental of fire
-Incarnate elemental of life/Sea elemental? (shared with WE)

very good ideas, i hope for a rework of the campaign's mechanics and for the actual units (buff the dragon princes and the others units please, and make them more expensive if you want but update them to be more friendly)
Bon jeu à tous

ByPiros#6333

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Mar 11, 2025, 10:43:22 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
You can add the Emperor Dragon to that list. Also the Anointed and Sea Helm generics.

I don´t hink the emperor dragons can be counted as units

TheWattman#7460

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TheWattman#7460

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Mar 11, 2025, 11:10:40 PM

ByPiros#6333 wrote:
I don´t hink the emperor dragons can be counted as units

They can by the grace of Storm of Magic.

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Mar 11, 2025, 11:19:37 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

ByPiros#6333 wrote:
I don´t hink the emperor dragons can be counted as units
They can by the grace of Storm of Magic.

did it say they were used by armies?

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Mar 12, 2025, 3:50:28 AM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
You can add the Emperor Dragon to that list.

What exactly makes Emperor Dragons a HE unit?

The only time they were in the HE armybook was back in 4th and 5th Ed, back when they were in everyone's armybook. And in 8E, they have Kinship with every Race, not just HEs.

There's nothing HE-specific about them.

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Mar 12, 2025, 6:26:46 AM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

ByPiros#6333 wrote:
I don´t hink the emperor dragons can be counted as units
They can by the grace of Storm of Magic.

HE already have 3 Dragons and the best Dragon in the game. An Emperor Dragon would be lazy and also just make the Star Dragon obsolete. RoR maybe but not a unit, would be stupid roster bloat.

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Mar 12, 2025, 8:36:51 AM

DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:
What exactly makes Emperor Dragons a HE unit?

The only time they were in the HE armybook was back in 4th and 5th Ed, back when they were in everyone's armybook. And in 8E, they have Kinship with every Race, not just HEs.

There's nothing HE-specific about them.

I mean if it was to be assigned to any race, then it would be the Dragon race High Elves. But you're right in that it doesn't necessarily have to be just HE unit. It could be used to pad out a potential WE DLC for instance, shared with HE.

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
HE already have 3 Dragons and the best Dragon in the game. An Emperor Dragon would be lazy and also just make the Star Dragon obsolete. RoR maybe but not a unit, would be stupid roster bloat.

The existing Dragons could be reworked accordingly, say the Sun being nerfed somewhat and bumped down to tier 3 and the Star brought down to tier 4. There is always a way to make a 4-tiered system with different focuses. WE have 6 different variants of archers and Bretonnia has 5 stages of melee Knights on a regular horse.

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Mar 12, 2025, 8:59:02 AM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
The existing Dragons could be reworked accordingly, say the Sun being nerfed somewhat and bumped down to tier 3

Dragons at tier 3???? Is this a joke?! Hell no. Just stop with the boring Dragon spam and add other stuff. Units that actually add something.

Also Star Dragons are already supposed to be incredibly rare and powerful, so they should NEVER be a T4 Unit. This just proves nicely why an Emperor Dragon would be a terrible unit. Not everyone has a Dragon festish so just keep that trash out of the HE roster.

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:13:52 AM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
Dragons at tier 3???? Is this a joke?! Hell no. Just stop with the boring Dragon spam and add other stuff. Units that actually add something.

Or just reduce the stats and keep at tier 4, idk.

And thing is, HE could use it in order for the DLC to not have to operate on pre-4th edition stuff like Sea Elf Wardancers or less valueable/flashy stuff, especially if the Incarnate of Fire is saved for another race (say a Li Dao DLC or Chaos Dwarfs). That case its Merwyrm/Ship's Company/Skycutters, with the last two being an open question. There we have unit champions, ET stuff like Aeskhaine and the aforementioned Wardancers, plus the Emperor Dragon. So would we like 2 infantry types (which would make it a DLC of 3 such), or an easy but flashy monster + 1 more infantry type. Depends on what is more ideal for the DLC.

As I said, there are ways of making room for 4 Dragons in a roster.

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:19:15 AM

DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:
What exactly makes Emperor Dragons a HE unit?

The only time they were in the HE armybook was back in 4th and 5th Ed, back when they were in everyone's armybook. And in 8E, they have Kinship with every Race, not just HEs.

There's nothing HE-specific about them.

The Storm of Magic (8ED) lore:

If there is a race that should ge access to the Emperor Dragon, then it ought to be the High Elves.

Warhammer Fantay Battle as we know it started in 4ED, which is why I'm not really interested in the Oldhammer additions.

Incarnate Elemental of Fire would make sense alongside Finubar or Caradryan - or just in general. Also, Guardians (or Lion Guard) would be a great boon, too.

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Mar 12, 2025, 9:35:25 AM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635
wrote:Dragons at tier 3???? Is this a joke?! Hell no. Just stop with the boring Dragon spam and add other stuff. Units that actually add something.
Or just reduce the stats and keep at tier 4, idk.

And thing is, HE could use it in order for the DLC to not have to operate on pre-4th edition stuff like Sea Elf Wardancers or less valueable/flashy stuff, especially if the Incarnate of Fire is saved for another race (say a Li Dao DLC or Chaos Dwarfs). That case its Merwyrm/Ship's Company/Skycutters, with the last two being an open question. There we have unit champions, ET stuff like Aeskhaine and the aforementioned Wardancers, plus the Emperor Dragon. So would we like 2 infantry types (which would make it a DLC of 3 such), or an easy but flashy monster + 1 more infantry type. Depends on what is more ideal for the DLC.

As I said, there are ways of making room for 4 Dragons in a roster.

No. You shouldn't be able to get Dragons at t3. Period. Elites are already available way to early.

- Aislinn LL

- Caradryan LH

- Korhil LH

- Anointed of Asuryan Lord (FLC)

- Seahelm Hero

- Merwyrm

- Skycutter

- Ships Company (T1 Sword and Board)

- Lothern Sea Rangers (T3 Bow and Great Axe -----> White Lions buffed to T4/5)

- Lion Guard / Storm Weavers (Magical Cav on Unicorns /Swiftfeather Rocs)

Boom. Perfect DLC.

It is also possible that CA only adds 4 units but 2 LHs + 2 Generic Characters. Getting Korhil, Caradryan, the Anointed and the Seahelm is an absolute priority.

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Mar 12, 2025, 11:04:17 AM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
As I said, there are ways of making room for 4 Dragons in a roster.

Easily. CA can always make the Emperor Dragon tier VI unit and put it behind hard cap of, let's say, 3 + RoR. This way arguments about turning Star Dragons obsolete would be rendered null and void - and High Elves would finally get the beast they should've gotten in Imrik's DLC.

As far as I'm concerned, it is a mandatory inclusion.

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Mar 12, 2025, 11:53:15 AM

Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, it is a mandatory inclusion.

Yeah because you are obsessed with Dragons unlike most other players. No offence. Most other players get already bored by the lazy Dragon spam.

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Mar 12, 2025, 12:27:32 PM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
Yeah because you are obsessed with Dragons unlike most other players. No offence. Most other players get already bored by the lazy Dragon spam.

I disagree. From what I have seen and read, dragons are quite popular, and I believe that the Emperor Dragon's reception would be positive - especially considering the target faction of its inclusion: the High Elves, that is. Pure power fantasy and rule of cool without controversy, like, for example, the Shard Dragon could cause in some circles.

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Mar 12, 2025, 12:58:21 PM

Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
I disagree. From what I have seen and read, dragons are quite popular, and I believe that the Emperor Dragon's reception would be positive - especially considering the target faction of its inclusion: the High Elves, that is. Pure power fantasy and rule of cool without controversy, like, for example, the Shard Dragon could cause in some circles.

Assuming its visually different and not just a bigger recolor, I'd say it'd be good to still reasonably cheaply increase the flash value of the DLC, which otherwise would be very infantry-heavy. Unless CA for some reason decides to go for a flock of Swiftfeather Rocs as a standalone unit from the Skycutters, idk.

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
- Lothern Sea Rangers (T3 Bow and Great Axe -----> White Lions buffed to T4/5)

Neither the Shadow Warriors or Lothern Sea Guard use Greatweapons. Agree about buffing White Lions though.

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
Storm Weavers (Magical Cav on Unicorns /Swiftfeather Rocs)

Storm Weavers are the Archmages of the Sea Patrol list. That's not something you turn into a cav unit.

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Mar 12, 2025, 1:16:14 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Neither the Shadow Warriors or Lothern Sea Guard use Greatweapons. Agree about buffing White Lions though.

Not the first time that CAs gets creative.

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Mar 12, 2025, 1:33:53 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Assuming its visually different and not just a bigger recolor, I'd say it'd be good to still reasonably cheaply increase the flash value of the DLC, which otherwise would be very infantry-heavy. Unless CA for some reason decides to go for a flock of Swiftfeather Rocs as a standalone unit from the Skycutters, idk.

Absolutely. All it really needs to stand out is head and back fins remodel, and new textures - including glow and/or particle stream to display the beast's mastery of magic. Ideally, it could also have one or two new animations for casting*.

*I assume the Emperor Dragon would follow in Zoat's footsteps and have bound speIls instead of access to the lores of magic. It would be really cool if it used, for example, Flaming Sword of Rhuin in this manner:

I see great potential in it.

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DarthEnderX-#6513

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Mar 12, 2025, 3:08:42 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
I mean if it was to be assigned to any race, then it would be the Dragon race High Elves. But you're right in that it doesn't necessarily have to be just HE unit. It could be used to pad out a potential WE DLC for instance, shared with HE.

I don't see why they should be limited to Elvish races when they expressly weren't in TT.

I could see doing the 10 neutral Dragon types(5 colors and their Emperor variants) in 2 possible ways:

1. Put them in the DoW roster, so they can be easily hired out by anyone.

2. Create a new kind of Resource node called Dragon Lairs that anyone can build Special Buildings on that let them recruit Dragons.

Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
The Storm of Magic (8ED) lore:
If there is a race that should ge access to the Emperor Dragon, then it ought to be the High Elves.

That quote literally says HEs weren't able to tame them.

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Or just reduce the stats and keep at tier 4, idk.

This is one of the reasons it annoys me that all 3 of the the HE Dragons are Fire. They could have made them different types instead(Sun=Fire, Moon=Ice, Star=Lightning) and then it would have been fine if all 3 of them were Tier 5.

With DEs getting Black Dragons and WEs getting Forest Dragons, then all 5 of the standard Dragon elements would have been covered by the Elves.

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
Yeah because you are obsessed with Dragons unlike most other players.

I mean, I'm obsessed with Dragons too. But not for HEs to get all of them(aside from Imrik).

Give Dwarfs the Shard Dragon!

Give CDs the Magma Dragon!

Give TKs the Bone Dragon!

Give WoC the Warpfire Dragon!

Give everyone neutral Dragons!

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