Unit Suggestion “Real Dragon Princes” and Dragon Changes

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 1:50:46 PM

​This was my original post: “How about a unit of Caledor Dragon Knights either as a normal unit (like the Mistwalkers’ mechanism, where control is granted through buildings) or as a Regiment of Renown. It always baffled me why we don’t have such a unit. What do the rest of you guys think?” IMG_0617.jpeg

And this was Maedrethnir#1968 very informative answer:

“There are relatively many dragons still alive in Caledor. It is just that they slumber. Imrik woke them all up on two occasions: Sons of Ellyrion and End Times. I could see a unit of drake riders exclusive to his faction.” Accompanied by the proof from tabletop below


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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 2:02:54 PM
War of the Beard was thousands of years ago and this game doesn't do the ET timeline, so neither is of relevance.
HE already have way too many dragons at their disposal. An entire unit of dragons is out of the question, they are supposed to be rare.
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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 2:26:43 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:
War of the Beard was thousands of years ago and this game doesn't do the ET timeline, so neither is of relevance.
HE already have way too many dragons at their disposal. An entire unit of dragons is out of the question, they are supposed to be rare.

But since people have been asking for a Vampire/Tomb kings dlc with Nagash etc, it means that we are getting there, as there is no way we can get him or other characters without End Times?

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 3:10:01 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:
War of the Beard was thousands of years ago and this game doesn't do the ET timeline, so neither is of relevance.

*Looks at the 500 years dead Repanse, 800 years dead Gorbad and the likely 1000 year dead Gorthor coming to Beastmen*

*Also looks at Skarr, Skullreapers and Wrathmongers*


This game does plenty of old stuff as well as ET content. 

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 3:28:35 PM

Steph#6413 wrote:

Bad idea. Dragon riding lords are more than enough

Imrik should get Dragon mounts for Nobles in my opinion. 

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 3:30:01 PM

KingAragorn#2969 wrote:
But since people have been asking for a Vampire/Tomb kings dlc with Nagash etc, it means that we are getting there, as there is no way we can get him or other characters without End Times?

Nagash was occasionally active before the end times, so that means nothing.

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
*Looks at the 500 years dead Repanse, 800 years dead Gorbad and the likely 1000 year dead Gorthor coming to Beastmen*

Gorthor isn't likely at all.


You might have noticed that the War of the Beard is from way longer back than any of those characters and represents the Elves at the height of their splendor, a splendor they no longer have and can no longer obtain.


End Times is irrelevant, this game doesn't even have a Chaos lategame crisis.


Dragons should be rare, they are too common already.

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 3:33:46 PM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

Steph#6413 wrote:

Bad idea. Dragon riding lords are more than enough

Imrik should get Dragon mounts for Nobles in my opinion. 

ok, but remove dragons from non-caledor princes and princess. Tyrion only has his poney, the other lords could do the same

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 3:41:33 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
*Looks at the 500 years dead Repanse, 800 years dead Gorbad and the likely 1000 year dead Gorthor coming to Beastmen*

Repanse never explicitly was said to have died in any lore book I've found

Gorbad was missing not dead

Gorthor is not likely coming to the Beastmen considering that they already have 4 good current characters

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 3:47:32 PM

TainBoCuailinge#8335

 wrote:Gorthor isn't likely at all.

If CA took it upon themselves to do the last lord-level character in the Greenskin book although long dead, then you can be damned sure they can and probably will go the same route with Beastmen.


TainBoCuailinge#8335

 wrote:You might have noticed that the War of the Beard is from way longer back than any of those characters and represents the Elves at the height of their splendor, a splendor they no longer have and can no longer obtain.

Since it happened in End Times too, its fair game. I mean, just look at the Dark Elves and the potential Lords of Oblivion.


TainBoCuailinge#8335

 wrote:End Times is irrelevant, this game doesn't even have a Chaos lategame crisis.

As OoD showed, highly relevant. And CA are working on the endgame crisis.


TainBoCuailinge#8335

 wrote:Dragons should be rare, they are too common already. 

They should be as common as they were on the TT. And that means implementing further breeds yet:


Emperor Dragon (Storm of Magic)

Great Chaos Dragon (Storm of Magic)

Warpfire Dragon (Monstrous Arcanum)

Magma Dragon (Monstrous Arcanum)

Asarnil the Dragonlord for DoW


and who knows, maybe Cathay have regular dragons in their armybook, not yet implemented.



MODIDDLY1#9212

 wrote:Gorthor is not likely coming to the Beastmen considering that they already have 4 good current characters

Who are all hero level characters. Gorthor is a lord in the latest armybook, just like Gorbad. Believe me, I wish he wouldn't come, but he has the armybook argument over Ghorros and Moonclaw sadly.

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 3:50:31 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Gorthor isn't likely at all.

If CA took it upon themselves to do the last lord-level character in the Greenskin book although long dead, then you can be damned sure they can and probably will go the same route with Beastmen.


TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

You might have noticed that the War of the Beard is from way longer back than any of those characters and represents the Elves at the height of their splendor, a splendor they no longer have and can no longer obtain.

Since it happened in End Times too, its fair game. I mean, just look at the Dark Elves and the potential Lords of Oblivion.


TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

End Times is irrelevant, this game doesn't even have a Chaos lategame crisis.

As OoD showed, highly relevant. And CA are working on the endgame crisis.


TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

Dragons should be rare, they are too common already.

They should be as common as they were on the TT. And that means implementing further breeds yet:


Emperor Dragon (Storm of Magic)

Great Chaos Dragon (Storm of Magic)

Warpfire Dragon (Monstrous Arcanum)

Magma Dragon (Monstrous Arcanum)

Asarnil the Dragonlord for DoW


and who knows, maybe Cathay have regular dragons in their armybook, not yet implemented.

don be silly. Ghorros would be the ideal choice. They would never pick Ghortor even if he would be alive.

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 3:59:50 PM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

don be silly. Ghorros would be the ideal choice. They would never pick Ghortor even if he would be alive.

Believe me, I don't want him either. Its just that the same arguements for Gorbad are applicable to Gorthor. As much as I want Ghorros and a proper Centigor generic lineup, Gorthor has the privilige of armybook status. Just like Gorbad had over Gitilla, Snagla or Gorfang/Morglum. Im just a realist, looking the precedents set.

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 4:11:39 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Who are all hero level characters.

They were heroes, but CA don't mind implementing heroes as lords.

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Its just that the same arguements for Gorbad are applicable to Gorthor.

Gorbad is much more interesting and there were no other viable candidates. 


But it doesn't look likely that Beastmen are getting another DLC anyway. 

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 4:15:43 PM

I'd be okay with Drake Riders.  I support races getting access to archaic units.    Like Rune Golems for Dwarfs.



What exactly is a Drake in Warhammer?  Are they just really young Dragons?  Or are they a separate species of smaller Dragon?

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Feb 19, 2025, 4:33:18 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

don be silly. Ghorros would be the ideal choice. They would never pick Ghortor even if he would be alive.

Believe me, I don't want him either. Its just that the same arguements for Gorbad are applicable to Gorthor. As much as I want Ghorros and a proper Centigor generic lineup, Gorthor has the privilige of armybook status. Just like Gorbad had over Gitilla, Snagla or Gorfang/Morglum. Im just a realist, looking the precedents set.

Gorbad was the only 8th Edition character left with a model. Both Gorthor and Ghorros are from the same armybook so there is no reason to pick Gorthor. 

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Feb 19, 2025, 4:49:26 PM

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

Who are all hero level characters. Gorthor is a lord in the latest armybook, just like Gorbad. Believe me, I wish he wouldn't come, but he has the armybook argument over Ghorros and Moonclaw sadly.

Bugman and Grimm were both army book characters, but a Goblin Hewer crewmember was made a LL instead. Skarr was explicitly a lord, but CA made him a LH. Gorthor is explicitly dead, and never returns.

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
 the same arguements for Gorbad are applicable to Gorthor.

They aren't. One is dead and stays dead, and the other was missing.

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 4:52:38 PM

Well, we'll digress that topic and save it for another thread.



DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:

I'd be okay with Drake Riders.  I support races getting access to archaic units.    Like Rune Golems for Dwarfs.



What exactly is a Drake in Warhammer?  Are they just really young Dragons?  Or are they a separate species of smaller Dragon?

I imagine its just a substitute word for Dragon.

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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 5:02:44 PM

Thank you all for being active and wish more people could express their points of view :)

DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:


What exactly is a Drake in Warhammer?  Are they just really young Dragons?  Or are they a separate species of smaller Dragon?

I imagine it’s just a substitute word for Dragon.

That is my understanding as well, they can be used interchangeably.



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2 months ago
Feb 19, 2025, 5:06:06 PM

I could see this possibly as a special campaign-only RoR like the Mawherd, but not as a regular recruitable unit. Frankly probably not even that considering the differential in power.

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