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Storm Weavers with dark magic and unicorn mount , interesting

Maybe we will get them with new dlc

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LordSolarMach#5538 wrote:
Haven't watched the video, but I'll mention that The Old World has different Magic Lores than WHFB generally did.

It's not that unusual in WHFB either.  More than once a new edition launched with a handful of generic Lores.  The 8 Winds would get added in a later supplement.

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Bies#4376 wrote:

Storm Weavers with dark magic and unicorn mount , interesting

Maybe we will get them with new dlc

they were part of the Sea Patrol list so very much possible. Was about time that HE get their equivalent to Warlocks and SoT. 

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DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:

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LordSolarMach#5538 wrote:
Haven't watched the video, but I'll mention that The Old World has different Magic Lores than WHFB generally did.

It's not that unusual in WHFB either.  More than once a new edition launched with a handful of generic Lores.  The 8 Winds would get added in a later supplement.

The game is told from a clear Old World pov. As the colleges aren't a thing yet, old worlders have a different outlook on magic. This is reflected by the remixed lores. From the fully supported races it's only an issue with Elves. Changing the whole system for just 2 races doesn't make much sense. I like it (the fact that magic is viewed through a different lense), it injects a bit of lore/storytelling into the rules.

Someone gimme some bullet points. I don't want to listen to that obnoxious poser on the video any more than the 5 seconds it took me to go "NOPE!".

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Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:

I will address both yesterday's Warhammer Community post and information from this video:

Danny: As usual, we focus on a single storyline which ties into two Armies of Infamy and two named characters. Longtime fans of the Old World will be familiar with Korhil, and he remains the absolute badass leader of the White Lions.

I would expect longtime fans of the Old World to also be familiar with the fact that Korhil was not the Captain of the White Lions during that time. It was Korhian/Korhien Ironglaive. It is an awful and unnecessary change that diminishes the world building. It also is a waste of potential. We could have gotten a new character with a new miniature.

In fact, Korhil should've been given a new miniature considering that his current one is made in metal. It also does not represent him accurately.

While the Phoenix King allows the man to help his allies in need, Korhil's first and foremost duty ought to be to protect him.

The Old World was supposed to focus on the years leading to the Great Chaos Incursion. I adore the Elf Heracles, but it just should not be him - not in the role of the Captain of the White Lions, at least. I suspect GW just wanted to resell the old miniature instead of making a new one. The lore be damned. I'm disappointed.

The Lion Guard are a yet-more-elite option, while there are also skirmishers and rules for White Lions. For every Tiranoc Chariot you assemble, you get two War Lions that can form a unit. If you assemble a Lion Chariot, of course, you get two horses, and you have our permission to build your own race course…*

This is material for high tier White Lions unit I keep lobbying for. While FB and TOW are separate games, there won't be a problem to reuse the name because a precedent of its use exists in FB.

​JTY: Vess is more a commander than a warrior. She makes the troops around her good, but she does still have the profile of an Elven lord and she knows how to fight. But she’s only Toughness 3, so when you wallop her, she knows about it. 

Danny: Her primary attribute is her ability to command those around her. She is kicking out high Leadership to all the troops around her in a wider radius – up to 15” if she’s your General. She buffs the Lothern Sea Guard even further, and there are some quite tasty combos with the Sea Guard Garrison. This Army of Infamy is what a High Elf military force looks like away from Ulthuan, a garrison of naval soldiers left to their own devices. They rely on shooting power to break the back of enemy forces as they advance, mopping up the remnants in close combat.

A commander type of character is how I always envisioned Finubar to play like.

JTY: We took the opportunity to show people what a landing force of Sea Guard looks like. With that in mind, we've expanded your options with extra units in the Arcane Journal. The Ship’s Company don't normally come off the ship to participate in land combat, but they will when they have to. Effectively militia, they can be represented by regular spearmen and bowmen, but you might use head swaps – spearman helmets on the archers, for instance, a feather or two, or some Sea Guard parts. These are as close as you can get to rough and ready Elves who have to get their hands dirty.

After seeing what GW did to Bretonnia and other races, and how they changed HE unit descriptions from gendered to neutral in FoF - I knew this day will come. Knowing and seeing is a tad different, though. The Asur women, with the exception of Avelorn, do not serve in militia. This reckless homogenisation of gender dynamics cheapens the setting.

A more elegant solution would've been to make her a Noble or a Princess. Generally speaking, women of those ranks do not take to the battlefield either, but there exist exceptional figures in the lore. She could've been exceptional in both ways: as a woman fighter and as a Noble/Princess in Aislinn's army.

More than that, Lothern does not raise traditional militia. It is the duty of the Lothern Sea Guard to protect the city-state. It is what makes it special and unlike any other place in Ulthuan. 

The rest of Eataine on the other hand does field a bread and butter militia.

JTY: In return, you get more signature units such as the Sea Guard Commander, who falls somewhere between a Prince and a Noble in power. There’s a Storm Weaver, a different type of Wizard with their own Lore (and a special Made to Order miniature), and extra Universal Special Rules including plenty of Ambush.

Dark Magic? This is a perversion of the highest order. High Elves do not use Dark Magic. Period.

The only mitigating factor is that it is an Army of Infamy list, but, unless said AoI is about Druchii spies or some wicked cultists - it just should have no place in the roster.

Made to Order and Unicorn mount make me think of this miniature:

Choosing Unicorn for a mount has lore implications. Unless they change it too, then only female characters can be used as proxies.

It confirms that they have combined all Merwyrm variants into one in ToW. And now it has a breath attack, which is alright.

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Nu-GW ToW Loremaster either does not pay all that much attention to the established lore or they have other ideas. 

Thankfully, TW:WH is based on WH:FB, and so there is a great chance that it won't be (further) corrupted.

I'm curious, does the AJ state is the captain of the white lions or a captain? All I read so far seems to have been ambiguous in that regard and his lore page doesn't sound like he's leading them.

Yeah, a captain is actually a pretty low rank which lead companies, not entire military orders like the White Lions as a whole. In navies captains lead individual ships, not fleets.

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Slayer_Yannir#8069 wrote:

Yeah, a captain is actually a pretty low rank which lead companies, not entire military orders like the White Lions as a whole. In navies captains lead individual ships, not fleets.

In modern-ish times as a military rank that's true. Historically however it can mean a whole host of things though. For mercenary companies (such as Landsknecht regiments) they lead the entire thing. Etymological it just means head, in the capacity of leader in this case. A captain is the leader of something, with the thing itself varying based on context.

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Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
He leads the Lion Guard and wields Chayal, which makes him the captain.

that says he leads ‘*a cadre* of the elite Lion Guard’ (emphasis mine) and has been made chief bodyguard to Sea Lord Aislinn, one of the Phoenix King’s minions rather than leader of *all* the White Lions and the Phoenix King’s bodyguard as he was in previous editions.

So he’s a step along the path to where he was in 7th/8th Ed but not there yet.

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Lord_Zarkov#7252 wrote:

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Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
He leads the Lion Guard and wields Chayal, which makes him the captain.

that says he leads ‘*a cadre* of the elite Lion Guard’ (emphasis mine) and has been made chief bodyguard to Sea Lord Aislinn, one of the Phoenix King’s minions rather than leader of *all* the White Lions and the Phoenix King’s bodyguard as he was in previous editions.

So he’s a step along the path to where he was in 7th/8th Ed but not there yet.

I really hope this is  the case, not because I think Korhein is a particularly interesting character (he's not, it seems he exists to make Tyrion look good) but because seeing where Korhil came from is far more interesting to me. 

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Lord_Zarkov#7252 wrote:

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Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
He leads the Lion Guard and wields Chayal, which makes him the captain.

that says he leads ‘*a cadre* of the elite Lion Guard’ (emphasis mine) and has been made chief bodyguard to Sea Lord Aislinn, one of the Phoenix King’s minions rather than leader of *all* the White Lions and the Phoenix King’s bodyguard as he was in previous editions.

So he’s a step along the path to where he was in 7th/8th Ed but not there yet.

The Lion Guard are an elite cadre as a whole, divided into companies, tasked with - amongst others -  the Phoenix King's protection:

He also wields Chayal:

The first edition where Korhil appeared (5ED)

And the last edition where he appeared (8ED):

Thus the conclusion can't be any other than that he is the Captain of the White Lions.

So Korhil will be the LH for Aislinn. Cool.

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Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
After seeing what GW did to Bretonnia and other races, and how they changed HE unit descriptions from gendered to neutral in FoF - I knew this day will come. Knowing and seeing is a tad different, though. The Asur women, with the exception of Avelorn, do not serve in militia. This reckless homogenisation of gender dynamics cheapens the setting.

Take it outside, incel.

Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
Choosing Unicorn for a mount has lore implications.

Personally, I think the weirdest part is that this Sea Guard-specific Mage variant rides a mount that doesn't fly.

What are you supposed to do with a Unicorn during a sea battle?

LennoxPoodle#1380 wrote:
In modern-ish times as a military rank that's true. Historically however it can mean a whole host of things though.

In Warhammer terms though, a Captain is usually a Hero-level unit.  A General/Admiral is a Lord-level unit.

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Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:

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Lord_Zarkov#7252 wrote:

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Maedrethnir#1968 wrote:
He leads the Lion Guard and wields Chayal, which makes him the captain.

that says he leads ‘*a cadre* of the elite Lion Guard’ (emphasis mine) and has been made chief bodyguard to Sea Lord Aislinn, one of the Phoenix King’s minions rather than leader of *all* the White Lions and the Phoenix King’s bodyguard as he was in previous editions.

So he’s a step along the path to where he was in 7th/8th Ed but not there yet.

The Lion Guard are an elite cadre as a whole, divided into companies, tasked with - amongst others -  the Phoenix King's protection:

He also wields Chayal:

The first edition where Korhil appeared (5ED)

And the last edition where he appeared (8ED):

Thus the conclusion can't be any other than that he is the Captain of the White Lions.

Might be they’ve just retconned Chayal’s background rather than Korhil’s.

We’ll see in a couple of weeks when the book comes out I guess.

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GBone#4408 wrote:

So Korhil will be the LH for Aislinn. Cool.

I like that ToW draws a connection between the 2. Will be more immersive now to throw in Korhil into Aislinns army as a LH once they come out. Considering that ToW HE are entirely focused on Aislinn as the big guy and Korhil, I’m pretty convinced that they will be in the next DLC. Remains to be seen what happens with Caradryan, would be a nice FLC LH.