​I think there will be a last dlc for the empire, I think the theme of the dlc will be the cult of ulric with Emil valgeir/ Teutogen guard or then a dlc a little more chivalresque with Kurt helborg/ Ludwig Schwarzhelm and knight panther 

What do you think about it?

2 DLCs. One using the Cult of Ulric list and then a final one with Helborg, the Hurricanum, a healthy portion of Knights + Sisters of Sigmar.

Depends how long support for the game lasts.  I could see them getting one more DLC since their tabletop counterpart has so much content compared to most other races, but I doubt they'll get two.  And if they get one, I would expect at least another 3-5 non-Empire DLCs first.

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Steelclaw#6359 wrote:

Depends how long support for the game lasts.  I could see them getting one more DLC since their tabletop counterpart has so much content compared to most other races, but I doubt they'll get two.  And if they get one, I would expect at least another 3-5 non-Empire DLCs first.

They have enough TT-stuff for 3 more, easy. Or I guess 2 quality ones atleast.

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
They have enough TT-stuff for 3 more, easy. Or I guess 2 quality ones atleast.

Apologies, should have clarified - my belief that they will not get more than one DLC is not down to them not having the content in tabletop.  Rather, it's that the amount of content they have in lore/tabletop is disproportionately high compared to other races, and while I expect that to be reflected to some extent in-game, I don't think it will be replicated to the same extent.

It's possible that it will if Empire has the fanbase for it, but I don't personally know anyone whose favourite faction is Empire, which makes my personal experience suggest that that is not the case anymore (even if it once was in tabletop and that was the cause for them receiving more tabletop content).

Before anyone gets a 4th dlc, CA should do something about the races that have 0-1 dlc's.

​Middenland Pack

LL: Emil Valgeir
LH: Valten

L: High Priest of Ulric
H: Priest of Ulric
Knights of the White Wolf
Knights Panther

Teutogen Guard
Wolf-Kin
Hunting Hounds

Empire Pack 2
LL: Kurt Helborg
LH: Ludwig Schwarzhelm
L: Knight Chapter Master
H: Harbinger of Doom

Knights of the Fiery Heart
Road Wardens

Reiksguard Infantry

Celestial Hurricanum
Imperial Dragon

Elector Counts Pack

Boris Todbringer (Runefang+Shield)

Marius Leitdorf (Runefang+Extra Weapon)
Valmir von Raukov (Runefang+Bow)
Aldebrand Ludenhof (Runefang+Bird)

​Yes, the Empire will get one more DLC, but rather than just being Cult of Ulric DLC I expect it to be "wrapping up the Empire" DLC with Middenheim flavor.

Legendary Lord

In both "world-ending" supplements , when it comes to defending Middenheim from the forces of Chaos, the same character was featured. In the End Times he became Castellan of Middenheim, in the Storm of Chaos he is featured right on the cover, fighting Archaon himself. 

Legendary Hero

Luthor Huss is one of the biggest Empire characters missing, and he has direct connection to Valten. 

Generic Lord

Lack of caster lords is a glaring hole in the Empire's roster, therefore the next update should finally bring Battle Wizard Lords.

Generic Hero

Priest of Ulric from the Middenland list. The other option is Seneschal of the White Wolf, but it would be harder to differentiate from Captain of the Empire. Priest of Ulric at least would bring Prayers of Ulric. 

Units

1) Celestial Hurricanum. Missing army book unit, no other justification is needed.

2) Teutogen Guard. On TT they were really close to Greatswords, with the only difference is them having White Wolf hammers. So they should either get more significant buffs and become a high-tier units, or be implemented as unique RoR.

3) Sisters of Sigmar. I expect them to be based on the model with dual weapons, so they will be mid/high-tier armored infantry with bonus against infantry. And just like Teutogen Guard, these could also be implemented as RoR.

4) Hunting Hounds. Because The Empire doesn't have any warhounds or melee light cavalry, there is a niche to fill. 

5) Knights of the White Wolf. Great weapon cavalry unit. The Empire doesn't have any of these yet. 

6) If either Teutogen Guard or Sisters of Sigmar are RoR then they can be replaced with Wolf-kin. Considering that they had great weapons option, they could be early-game anti-infantry melee unit with armor-piercing damage. The Empire only have Greatswords in that role and they are Tier 3 unit. 

FLC 

As FLC LL we will probably get Boris Todbringer, but he won't really work without access to at least some Middenland units. Because of that I would expect some of them to come as FLC (there is also the fact that Boris is kinda already in the game, so he probably won't require as much budget as your average FLC LLs)

FLC unit: Knights Panther. I don't think that they can offer anything interesting from the gameplay point of view, but it would be a thematic unit to come alongside Boris, as Knights Panther are sworn to serve him. 

FLC generic lord: Grand Master. I somehow doubt that CA will manage to make them different enough from Empire Generals without making one of them obsolete, but they would be fine as FLC. 

The Empire should get 2 more DLCs. Emil Valgeir and Kurt Helborg. It’s only fair. 

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DarthEnderX-#6513 wrote:

​Middenland Pack

LL: Emil Valgeir
LH: Valten

L: High Priest of Ulric
H: Priest of Ulric
Knights of the White Wolf
Knights Panther

Teutogen Guard
Wolf-Kin
Hunting Hounds

Empire Pack 2
LL: Kurt Helborg
LH: Ludwig Schwarzhelm
L: Knight Chapter Master
H: Harbinger of Doom

Knights of the Fiery Heart
Road Wardens

Reiksguard Infantry

Celestial Hurricanum
Imperial Dragon

Elector Counts Pack

Boris Todbringer (Runefang+Shield)

Marius Leitdorf (Runefang+Extra Weapon)
Valmir von Raukov (Runefang+Bow)
Aldebrand Ludenhof (Runefang+Bird)

- Emil Valgeir 

- Schwarzhelm 

- HPoU Lord 

- PoU Hero

- Teutogen Guard 

- KotWW

- Wolf-Kin 

- Warriors of Ulric 

- Hunting Hounds 

FLC: Toddy + Knights Panther 

- Kurt Helborg 

- Luthor Huss Lh 

- Valten LH 

- Grand Master Lord (3 Variants) 

- Celestial Hurricanum 

- Knights Griffin 

- Inner Circle Knights 

- Sisters of Sigmar 

- Imperial Ogres (light cannons)

FLC: Marius Leitdorf LL

FLC Unit: Reiksguard on Foot

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SerPus#7395 wrote:

​Yes, the Empire will get one more DLC, but rather than just being Cult of Ulric DLC I expect it to be "wrapping up the Empire" DLC with Middenheim flavor.

Two words: Unsatisfying minimalism.

You're essentially half-assing the Ulric list and I don't know where you got the idea from that you can have 3 FLCs in one DLC. Its a FLC LL and a generic for FLC2. No unit. You either bring the Panthers along with the Ulricans, or not at all. You are also denying the Ulricans of a religious LL, i.e. Valgier, to match their Sigmarite rivals. Not to mention no generic to lead Ulrican armies, which defeats the purpose of bringing them in the first place. 

And Valten was only proclaimed Castellan because Boris went out on a suicide mission after Khazrak, chasing his own revenge instead of defending his people. Just because Valten fights Archaon doesn't mean he should be a LL, clashing as he would be with Karl Franz for the ownership of Ghal Maraz.

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:

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SerPus#7395 wrote:

​Yes, the Empire will get one more DLC, but rather than just being Cult of Ulric DLC I expect it to be "wrapping up the Empire" DLC with Middenheim flavor.

Two words: Unsatisfying minimalism.

You're essentially half-assing the Ulric list and I don't know where you got the idea from that you can have 3 FLCs in one DLC. Its a FLC LL and a generic for FLC2. No unit. You either bring the Panthers along with the Ulricans, or not at all. You are also denying the Ulricans of a religious LL, i.e. Valgier, to match their Sigmarite rivals. Not to mention no generic to lead Ulrican armies, which defeats the purpose of bringing them in the first place. 

And Valten was only proclaimed Castellan because Boris went out on a suicide mission after Khazrak, chasing his own revenge instead of defending his people. Just because Valten fights Archaon doesn't mean he should be a LL, clashing as he would be with Karl Franz for the ownership of Ghal Maraz.

I couldn't agree more. Themes are everything and not doing a fully themed Ulric LP for the Empire would just be super lame and a huge missed opportunity. 

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Two words: Unsatisfying minimalism.

Aren't you the guy who argued for Gnoblar DLC for Ogre Kingdoms? I don't think that your judgment on satisfying and unsatisfying is sound. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
You're essentially half-assing the Ulric list

I left out Grand Master of the Knights of the White Wolf (because it's just another Grand Master), Seneschal of the White Wolf (melee hero without anything that would make him unique) and Warriors of Ulric (yet another cheap infantry unit for the Empire, without any niche to fill). Nothing of value was left out. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
I don't know where you got the idea from that you can have 3 FLCs in one DLC

With The Twisted and The Twilight we got Drycha, Chieftain, Glade Captain and Glade Riders with Spears. In total one LL, two generic heroes and one unit. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
You are also denying the Ulricans of a religious LL, i.e. Valgier, to match their Sigmarite rivals.

Valgeir is not that big of a character really. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Not to mention no generic to lead Ulrican armies, which defeats the purpose of bringing them in the first place. 

Grand Master would do the trick, considering that SoC list only added Grand Master of the White Wolf as new lord option. Do you really need two generic Grand Master lords?

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
And Valten was only proclaimed Castellan because Boris went out on a suicide mission after Khazrak, chasing his own revenge instead of defending his people.

That doesn't change the fact. In Valten was featured in both defences of Middenheim against the forces of Chaos. And in the second time GW even put him in charge of the whole thing. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Just because Valten fights Archaon doesn't mean he should be a LL

It shows what GW thinks of him, and gives us an idea of what CA might do with him. If Valten is treated as posterboy in SoC, then there is a good chance that CA will treat him the same. 

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SerPus#7395 wrote:
It shows what GW thinks of him, and gives us an idea of what CA might do with him. If Valten is treated as posterboy in SoC, then there is a good chance that CA will treat him the same. 

Ah you mean like.... Bruckner who duelled Tamurkhan? Valten is LH material just like Bruckner. 

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
You left out the Wolf-kin (the choice for a low-tier Ulrican unit)

I didn't. I don't think that the Empire need more low-tier infantry units, but I included it on the list.

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
the Ulric High Priest generic lord

There was no such thing in SoC Middenland list.

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
And you put the Panthers outside the DLC.

What's the problem with that?

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Total War Access isn't a thing anymore, so that doesn't hold merit.

Total War Access is just a way of distributing content, not some magical force that made content by itself. CA can add FLC stuff, assuming that there is a budget for it. And considering that Boris is already in the game, there should be more resources left out to add other things as well. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Follow the ToD model.

We got two FLC units for Greenskins not that long before the DLC. What would stop CA from releasing them in one update if they wanted to? 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
There is only one option for an Ulrican generic lord and that's the High Priest.

It's not even on the list that GW made. You know who is? Wizard Lord. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Just being there doesn't change a thing.

Right. So there is that one character GW constantly put into their "defence of the Middenheim" scenarios, but it doesn't mean anything. Just a coincidence. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
And again, if not for his pride, Boris would've led the defense of Middenheim in the End Times.

GW decided that it should be Valten, so your if's are meaningless. Especially considering that, just like in the End Times, Boris isn't on the table for the final Empire DLC. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
And besides, the goal of the DLC is not to recreate either Storm of Chaos or End Times.

How do you know for sure what would be the goal of that DLC? 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
And the Ulricans, as chief rivals of the Sigmarites in the Empire, deserve both a politicial Boris and a religious Valgeir to match.

Based on what? 

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SerPus#7395 wrote:

There was no such thing in SoC Middenland list.

There is in ToW tho. And that being said, when was a Master Engineer Lord ever a thing on the TT? 

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SerPus#7395 wrote:

I didn't. I don't think that the Empire need more low-tier infantry units, but I included it on the list.

You put them conditionally as "if Teutogen Guard or Sisters of Sigmar are RoR". They're not, so Wolf-kin wouldn't make it in your list.

SerPus#7395 wrote:

There was no such thing in SoC Middenland list.

There is in the Official Rules Ulric Army List in Chronicles 2004:

SerPus#7395 wrote:

What's the problem with that?

As FLCs are reserved for LLs and generics, it means the Panthers won't feature at all.

SerPus#7395 wrote:

Total War Access is just a way of distributing content, not some magical force that made content by itself. CA can add FLC stuff, assuming that there is a budget for it. And considering that Boris is already in the game, there should be more resources left out to add other things as well. 

Not by the standards of the ToD model to which CA is currently comitted.

SerPus#7395 wrote:

It's not even on the list that GW made. You know who is? Wizard Lord. 

Not in SoC, but elsewhere. And Wizard Lords obviously has to be a DLC-level generic too. Hence why we need 2 Empire DLCs. And since the High Priest is way more thematic with an Ulric DLC, that means the Grandmaster has to be an FLC2.

SerPus#7395 wrote:

Right. So there is that one character GW constantly put into their "defence of the Middenheim" scenarios, but it doesn't mean anything. Just a coincidence. GW decided that it should be Valten, so your if's are meaningless. Especially considering that, just like in the End Times, Boris isn't on the table for the final Empire DLC. 

Im merely showing that Valten isn't as central to the plot as he may appear. In the interest of Ulrican representation, he'd be more than fine to be a LH, as none of the Ulrican candidates are particularly appealing. He doesn't have to be a LL to face Archaon. Besides, Valgeir would sport the better mechanics focused on religion compared to Valten's... what exactly?

SerPus#7395 wrote:

How do you know for sure what would be the goal of that DLC? 

How do YOU know that this Empire DLC would be a "wrap up"?

SerPus#7395 wrote:

Based on what? 

Because its the 2nd strongest religion in the Empire and the race's slogan is "Faith, Steel and Gunpowder". Notice how Faith comes first. Besides, a Boris campaign ending in Emperorship isn't complete without also reasserting Ulrican dominance over the Empire. You should have an allied religious figure next to you. And to Boris, that obviously isn't Volkmar.

Think of the Kislevite race and what Boris does for it. That would be Franz and Todbringer for Volkmar and Valgeir.

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TheWattman#7460 wrote:
They're not

How do you know? Did CA already reveal the roster? 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
There is in the Official Rules Ulric Army List in Chronicles 2004:

Between official supplement book and a WD article I would rather rely on the book.

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
As FLCs are reserved for LLs and generics, it means the Panthers won't feature at all.

What? We are getting FLC units all the time. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
And since the High Priest is way more thematic with an Ulric DLC

For some reason you imply that it's an Ulric-only DLC. There is no guarantee that it will be. I remember people claiming that the TWW3 Greenskin DLC will be a Forest Goblin DLC.

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
he'd be more than fine to be a LH

Sure, he could be LH, assuming if there are better candidates for being an LL. Rich(was it Rich?) from what I remember, likes Kurt Helborg, so it could be him. I just think that Helborg doesn't really offer as much as Valten and can be represented as FLC. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Besides, Valgeir would sport the better mechanics focused on religion compared to Valten's... what exactly?

The Empire already have LL that is focused on religion (or at least suppose to). Valten, on the other hand, is the Chosen of Sigmar. He wears Sigmar's armor made by Dwarfs, and rides elven steed 'made' by Tyrion's own steed. Valten is the Ordertide manifested, and can have campaign focused on uniting Order factions, as well as adding the Empire(plus friends) endgame crisis to the game. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:

How do YOU know that this Empire DLC would be a "wrap up"?

I don't, but considering what exactly is left for the Empire and how CA constructed DLCs in the past, that seems like the most probable outcome. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Notice how Faith comes first

Yeah, and the Faith DLC was the first one we ever got. 

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Besides, a Boris campaign ending in Emperorship isn't complete without also reasserting Ulrican dominance over the Empire.

Sounds like 'Ulrican dominance' should be part of an FLC update (if it comes at all). Otherwise how would Boris do that?  

TheWattman#7460 wrote:
Think of the Kislevite race and what Boris does for it.

What?