Will CA acknowledge the OoD reviews on steam?

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 10:49:46 AM

It's mid Jan, and after a quiet period, i think it's fair to say the dust has settled on OoD. The reviews on steam for each of the OoD LLs are pretty poor with Gorbad being the worst at around 40%.


I think CA should acknowledge it whether it's a 'we know it's not ideal and we'll do better next time' or if it's 'we know it's not ideal and we'll try to improve OoD where we can'.


My view on the DLC was it not as bad as the reviews suggest but it certainly wasn't perfect either. I also agree with the general consensus on steam that the GS were the weakest. Gorbad is fine and his mechanics are fine but the dlc units were disappointing overall and the decision to leave them mostly untouched in 6.0 left a bitter taste playing Gorbad (and other GS LLs) even if his specific mechanics were mostly quite fun. Due to some of their strange decisions on the choice of units/ generic characters, i think Skarsnik is the only GS LL to come out of 6.0 well

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:01:35 AM

To be fair most of the negative reviews are still about issues like the Splash attack bug or Gorbad not having access to older DLC units. 


There is nothing to acknowledge from CA really since most of these issues a has been solved super quick. 


And complaints about Gorbad being to weak and not able to solo entire armies on his own can be ignored entirely. In fact I would still argue that Gorbad was the best LL of the DLC. 


So yeah Steam reviews are worthless trash that CA shouldn’t bother with for 1 second. 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:03:19 AM

Theo91#7431 wrote:

It's mid Jan, and after a quiet period, i think it's fair to say the dust has settled on OoD. The reviews on steam for each of the OoD LLs are pretty poor with Gorbad being the worst at around 40%.


I think CA should acknowledge it whether it's a 'we know it's not ideal and we'll do better next time' or if it's 'we know it's not ideal and we'll try to improve OoD where we can'.


My view on the DLC was it not as bad as the reviews suggest but it certainly wasn't perfect either. I also agree with the general consensus on steam that the GS were the weakest. Gorbad is fine and his mechanics are fine but the dlc units were disappointing overall and the decision to leave them mostly untouched in 6.0 left a bitter taste playing Gorbad (and other GS LLs) even if his specific mechanics were mostly quite fun. Due to some of their strange decisions on the choice of units/ generic characters, i think Skarsnik is the only GS LL to come out of 6.0 well

They said next hotfit is gorbad turn and probaly then more tweaks for golfag to make them less overtune 


But nothing for orcs in general I suspect will touch on when ever 6.1 comes 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:11:42 AM

Lunaticprince#9972 wrote:
They said next hotfit is gorbad turn and probaly then more tweaks for golfag to make them less overtune 

Tbf Gorbad getting access to DLC units from K&W and W&P is a pretty huge change from CA. . 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:18:04 AM

The DLC feels unfinished on some points for instance Skarbrand is arguably the worst khorne LL with no interesting mechanic or playstyle that can compete with teleporting around and the new units feel redudant. The Ogres fare better but Greasus is still a point of discussion and consider the rework made them a no-brainer faction since meat is easy to get to improve the camps. Lastly orcs were the least touched and feel left behind with their heroes and lords.


The good thing is that those things can be solved by touching up in patches and they aren`t as egregious as SoC.

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:22:32 AM

dogoska#1535 wrote:
for instance Skarbrand is arguably the worst khorne LL with no interesting mechanic or playstyle

why did you expect anything unique fir Skarbrand to begin with? Kairos and Ku’Gath didn’t get anything either and Khorne needs 1 “vanilla” faction. Especially with Arbaal and Skulltaker being so ridiculously op and easy. 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:29:41 AM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

To be fair most of the negative reviews are still about issues like the Splash attack bug or Gorbad not having access to older DLC units. 


There is nothing to acknowledge from CA really since most of these issues a has been solved super quick. 


And complaints about Gorbad being to weak and not able to solo entire armies on his own can be ignored entirely. In fact I would still argue that Gorbad was the best LL of the DLC. 


So yeah Steam reviews are worthless trash that CA shouldn’t bother with for 1 second. 

i think it goes both ways. some people gave it negative reviews for silly reasons like no access to old dlc units but some people would give it positive reviews no matter what because it's new.


Tbh i was disappointed with a fair amount of the GS update and i don't think that makes my negative experience worthless. obviously if it was only me who didnt like it, then CA could rightfully ignore me but clearly lots of people didn't like and have made their opinion heard. I think that warrants a CA response.


I liked Gorbad and his mechanics but i was disappointed with most of the GS dlc units and disappointed with the NGBB hero. It's not just that i wanted the SOBB hero, i actually don't particularly like the NGBB hero as i don't tend to go too squig heavy in a lot of my builds.


I didn't like the GS economy building changes. i agree they were OP before but now theyve been nerfed to the point where they're totally useless. It takes almost 60 turns to have a tier 3 economy building chain pay for itself... my campaigns dont even last that long.


I don't hugely care for the replenishment changes. just means there's more sitting around waiting which doesn't feel like the GS way. I think there was a lot of areas the GS part of OoD disappointed. And even OK and Khorne weren't perfect but that's a whole other issue

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:36:54 AM

Theo91#7431 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

To be fair most of the negative reviews are still about issues like the Splash attack bug or Gorbad not having access to older DLC units. 


There is nothing to acknowledge from CA really since most of these issues a has been solved super quick. 


And complaints about Gorbad being to weak and not able to solo entire armies on his own can be ignored entirely. In fact I would still argue that Gorbad was the best LL of the DLC. 


So yeah Steam reviews are worthless trash that CA shouldn’t bother with for 1 second. 

i think it goes both ways. some people gave it negative reviews for silly reasons like no access to old dlc units but some people would give it positive reviews no matter what because it's new.


Tbh i was disappointed with a fair amount of the GS update and i don't think that makes my negative experience worthless. obviously if it was only me who didnt like it, then CA could rightfully ignore me but clearly lots of people didn't like and have made their opinion heard. I think that warrants a CA response.


I liked Gorbad and his mechanics but i was disappointed with most of the GS dlc units and disappointed with the NGBB hero. It's not just that i wanted the SOBB hero, i actually don't particularly like the NGBB hero as i don't tend to go too squig heavy in a lot of my builds.


I didn't like the GS economy building changes. i agree they were OP before but now theyve been nerfed to the point where they're totally useless. It takes almost 60 turns to have a tier 3 economy building chain pay for itself... my campaigns dont even last that long.


I don't hugely care for the replenishment changes. just means there's more sitting around waiting which doesn't feel like the GS way. I think there was a lot of areas the GS part of OoD disappointed. And even OK and Khorne weren't perfect but that's a whole other issue

and all that is fair criticism even if many of your points are subjective. But most of the steam reviews simply don’t mention these points but other ridiculous nonsense. So like I said, CA shouldn’t be bothered by Steam reviews since they don’t give any meaningful or constructive information. Actually steam reviews are probably the exact opposite of what we on this forum think. 


Skulltaker is praised for being so powerful and op, Gorbad is rated badly because he isn’t all op and actually challenging. That’s the reason why Steam reviews are worthless. 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:41:20 AM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
Actually steam reviews are probably the exact opposite of what we on this forum think.

So what ? This forum doesn't represent the "true" fanbase, our opinions aren't necessarily more valuable. There are a lot of reviews that are stupid on Steam and that should probably be ignored yes but there are also constructive ones too.

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:49:40 AM

dogoska#1535 wrote:

The DLC feels unfinished on some points for instance Skarbrand is arguably the worst khorne LL with no interesting mechanic or playstyle that can compete with teleporting around and the new units feel redudant. The Ogres fare better but Greasus is still a point of discussion and consider the rework made them a no-brainer faction since meat is easy to get to improve the camps. Lastly orcs were the least touched and feel left behind with their heroes and lords.


The good thing is that those things can be solved by touching up in patches and they aren`t as egregious as SoC.

Thats a problem with nearly all lords from the WH3 base game.

Katarin also has no interesting mechanic compared to  Ostankya. Or Miao/Zhao compared to Yuan Bo.


But improvements to base game lords come with free reworks as they affect everyone and not only people that buy the dlc.

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 12:00:15 PM

Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
Actually steam reviews are probably the exact opposite of what we on this forum think.

So what ? This forum doesn't represent the "true" fanbase, our opinions aren't necessarily more valuable. There are a lot of reviews that are stupid on Steam and that should probably be ignored yes but there are also constructive ones too.

the point is that reviews like “Gorbad is to weak” can be ignored. OP posted this thread and asked if CA should acknowledge steam reviews. And like I said, there is nothing to acknowledge. 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 12:03:50 PM

Ixalmaris#4807 wrote:

dogoska#1535 wrote:

The DLC feels unfinished on some points for instance Skarbrand is arguably the worst khorne LL with no interesting mechanic or playstyle that can compete with teleporting around and the new units feel redudant. The Ogres fare better but Greasus is still a point of discussion and consider the rework made them a no-brainer faction since meat is easy to get to improve the camps. Lastly orcs were the least touched and feel left behind with their heroes and lords.


The good thing is that those things can be solved by touching up in patches and they aren`t as egregious as SoC.

Thats a problem with nearly all lords from the WH3 base game.

Katarin also has no interesting mechanic compared to  Ostankya. Or Miao/Zhao compared to Yuan Bo.


But improvements to base game lords come with free reworks as they affect everyone and not only people that buy the dlc.

It is mostly a matter of comparison with ToD Ku`garth has the best plagues now with blessed symptoms and he is probably the best LL to confederate others (rich provinces, stronger effects). Compare it to tamurkhan that has a harder start and must suffer the negatives of chieftains or Epidemius overly conditional faction effect, you can see the point.

Skarbrand despite being in the same situation as kugarth he got nothing over the other khorne LL.


The other factions  you mean I`d say are very dependent Katarin has a strong PO bonus compared to Ostayanka , if anything it is Kostaltyn that needs something to be relevant as a starting LL.


Miao/Zhao have had tiny improvements although you are right they could get something to differentiate their playstyles more (another failing of SoC)

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 12:06:57 PM

dogoska#1535 wrote:
is mostly a matter of comparison with ToD Ku`garth has the best plagues now with blessed symptoms and he is probably the best LL to confederate others (rich provinces, stronger effects). Compare it to tamurkhan that has a harder start and must suffer the negatives of chieftains or Epidemius overly conditional faction effect, you can see the point.

Nothing of what you said is true. Ku’Gath is as generic as Skarbrand. Tamurkhan is objectively the best Nurgle campaign. 


The main issue with your commeht is that your  main argument was “harder = worse”. 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 12:23:10 PM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

dogoska#1535 wrote:
is mostly a matter of comparison with ToD Ku`garth has the best plagues now with blessed symptoms and he is probably the best LL to confederate others (rich provinces, stronger effects). Compare it to tamurkhan that has a harder start and must suffer the negatives of chieftains or Epidemius overly conditional faction effect, you can see the point.

Nothing of what you said is true. Ku’Gath is as generic as Skarbrand. Tamurkhan is objectively the best Nurgle campaign. 


The main issue with your commeht is that your  main argument was “harder = worse”. 

I seriously don`t get your attitude by derailing the discussion and calling reviewers idiots. Calling Kugarth generic when he has access to stronger plagues as rework is by definition not generic.

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 12:29:58 PM

dogoska#1535 wrote:
I seriously don`t get your attitude by derailing the discussion and calling reviewers idiots. Calling Kugarth generic when he has access to stronger plagues as rework is by definition not generic.

Disagreement isn’t detailing. 


Reviewers whining about “Gorbad not being able to solo entire armies” or “Da Plan Units being locked behind other DLCs” are idiots that can’t be taken serious. 


Ku’Gath only gets some minor buffs for plagues but that’s hardly a mechanic. It’s must a minor thing like Astragoth veining more influence. 


Ku’Gath is factually the Vanilla Nurgle faction just like Skarbrand is the vanilla Khorne faction. 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 12:39:58 PM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

Theo91#7431 wrote:

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

To be fair most of the negative reviews are still about issues like the Splash attack bug or Gorbad not having access to older DLC units. 


There is nothing to acknowledge from CA really since most of these issues a has been solved super quick. 


And complaints about Gorbad being to weak and not able to solo entire armies on his own can be ignored entirely. In fact I would still argue that Gorbad was the best LL of the DLC. 


So yeah Steam reviews are worthless trash that CA shouldn’t bother with for 1 second. 

i think it goes both ways. some people gave it negative reviews for silly reasons like no access to old dlc units but some people would give it positive reviews no matter what because it's new.


Tbh i was disappointed with a fair amount of the GS update and i don't think that makes my negative experience worthless. obviously if it was only me who didnt like it, then CA could rightfully ignore me but clearly lots of people didn't like and have made their opinion heard. I think that warrants a CA response.


I liked Gorbad and his mechanics but i was disappointed with most of the GS dlc units and disappointed with the NGBB hero. It's not just that i wanted the SOBB hero, i actually don't particularly like the NGBB hero as i don't tend to go too squig heavy in a lot of my builds.


I didn't like the GS economy building changes. i agree they were OP before but now theyve been nerfed to the point where they're totally useless. It takes almost 60 turns to have a tier 3 economy building chain pay for itself... my campaigns dont even last that long.


I don't hugely care for the replenishment changes. just means there's more sitting around waiting which doesn't feel like the GS way. I think there was a lot of areas the GS part of OoD disappointed. And even OK and Khorne weren't perfect but that's a whole other issue

and all that is fair criticism even if many of your points are subjective. But most of the steam reviews simply don’t mention these points but other ridiculous nonsense. So like I said, CA shouldn’t be bothered by Steam reviews since they don’t give any meaningful or constructive information. Actually steam reviews are probably the exact opposite of what we on this forum think. 


Skulltaker is praised for being so powerful and op, Gorbad is rated badly because he isn’t all op and actually challenging. That’s the reason why Steam reviews are worthless. 

I still disagree. I think you could make a fair judgement that many of the reviews don't seem to make logical sense, but ultimately, it paints a negative picture of the DLC and i don't think it's helpful to ignore. It will certainly hurt sales. But further to that, i dont think all the reviews are nonsensical. i think there's plenty completely valid opinions in the reviews

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 12:42:05 PM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:
Skulltaker is praised for being so powerful and op, Gorbad is rated badly because he isn’t all op and actually challenging. That’s the reason why Steam reviews are worthless. 

Actually, many of the Skulltaker reviews call out how overpowered he is as a bad thing. Even some of the positive reviews mention it as a mark against.

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 12:42:34 PM

Theo91#7431 wrote:
I still disagree. I think you could make a fair judgement that many of the reviews don't seem to make logical sense, but ultimately, it paints a negative picture of the DLC and i don't think it's helpful to ignore. It will certainly hurt sales. But further to that, i dont think all the reviews are nonsensical. i think there's plenty completely valid opinions in the reviews

okay then please show me 1 common complaint that CA should acknowledge from steam reviews. Go on. 

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 1:05:06 PM

Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

Theo91#7431 wrote:
I still disagree. I think you could make a fair judgement that many of the reviews don't seem to make logical sense, but ultimately, it paints a negative picture of the DLC and i don't think it's helpful to ignore. It will certainly hurt sales. But further to that, i dont think all the reviews are nonsensical. i think there's plenty completely valid opinions in the reviews

okay then please show me 1 common complaint that CA should acknowledge from steam reviews. Go on. 

You might be taking the Steam reviews you don't like a bit too personally.

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a month ago
Jan 16, 2025, 1:18:39 PM

The real test will be how many complaints get addressed in 6.1.

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