I feel like they only added her in SoC 2.0 because they desperately wanted a LH option for Kislev. Thematically she doesn't even fit in the DLC, she is Katarin's bodyguard and she also does Katarin's bidding. She is very underbaked and doesn't have much personality, not a lot of voice lines and they made her all about being a bodyguard when she could have been a lot more than this. 

Imo she had more potential as a Legendary Lord, she does Katarin's bidding and can be easily sent outside of Kislev because of this. At one point she was sent in the Empire by Katarin according to Andy Hall. That would've made her an ideal pick for an exotic start far away from the Motherland, a much better pick than Ostankya. And since she is a Knight she could have been all about buffing the Winged Lancers and Gryphon Legion. I genuinely feel like her current implementation is a massive waste. 

It's too late to have her as a LL now but I'm hoping CA can at least give her some flavour in the Kislev rework, at least give her the niche of buffing cavalry units or something. Currently she's just bland as fuck.

From the first moment we heard about her she was described as what Ludwig is to Franz, a personal champion and bodyguard, textbook LH material.

Could she have been more fleshed out flavour wise? Sure, she is supposed to be favoured by both the Orthodoxy and Ice Court, so access to some bound spells and prayers would have been thematic, but her role as LH is not one of her issues, it was clear from the start that was her intended role.

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mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:

From the first moment we heard about her she was described as what Ludwig is to Franz, a personal champion and bodyguard, textbook LH material.

Could she have been more fleshed out flavour wise? Sure, she is supposed to be favoured by both the Orthodoxy and Ice Court, so access to some bound spells and prayers would have been thematic, but her role as LH is not one of her issues, it was clear from the start that was her intended role.

Not saying she doesn't make sense as a LH, the point is she definitely had potential to make a good LL leading her own expedition on Katarin's behalf.

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:
That would've made her an ideal pick for an exotic start far away from the Motherland, a much better pick than Ostankya. And since she is a Knight she could have been all about buffing the Winged Lancers and Gryphon Legion.

If you want Kislev LL with exotic start and Gryphon Legion focus then it should be one of the Gryphon Legion commanders, not some random character.

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:

From the first moment we heard about her she was described as what Ludwig is to Franz, a personal champion and bodyguard, textbook LH material.

Could she have been more fleshed out flavour wise? Sure, she is supposed to be favoured by both the Orthodoxy and Ice Court, so access to some bound spells and prayers would have been thematic, but her role as LH is not one of her issues, it was clear from the start that was her intended role.

Not saying she doesn't make sense as a LH, the point is she definitely had potential to make a good LL leading her own expedition on Katarin's behalf.

Anyone can be made into a fun LL if enough effort is put into it, look at Ghorst or Tretch now, doesn't mean everyone should.

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mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:
Anyone can be made into a fun LL if enough effort is put into it, look at Ghorst or Tretch now, doesn't mean everyone should.

*looks at Ghorst and Tretch*

eh…

I'd need to see what other LL's Kislev gets before I'm too bothered by it. She makes a good bodyguard character, and a solid fighter. Most characters can be made into a good campaign. so it depends on how many LL's the faction ends up with to how much I'm unhappy with LH's. Ghoritch could have been made a Skaven LL, but It's not an issue to me because Skaven already have 6 LL's (and likely at least one more is coming). Skarr should have been made a Khorne LL, and it is an issue because Khorne only has 3 LL's and is not likely to get another.

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:
That would've made her an ideal pick for an exotic start far away from the Motherland, a much better pick than Ostankya. And since she is a Knight she could have been all about buffing the Winged Lancers and Gryphon Legion.

If you want Kislev LL with exotic start and Gryphon Legion focus then it should be one of the Gryphon Legion commanders, not some random character.

Problem is with Kislev's new lore is we don't know any other characters they could use as we have all the new characters that were introduced so far and we have no idea if any of the old characters are even canon. Hard to speculate about Kislev when we know so little about the new lore.

Yeah, both are the most hated factions of their race. Especially Tretch is more boring than Olaf Scholz' monologues. Ghorst only gained some visibility in early IE, because zombies were busted and basically unkillable.

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mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:
Anyone can be made into a fun LL if enough effort is put into it, look at Ghorst or Tretch now, doesn't mean everyone should.

*looks at Ghorst and Tretch*

eh…

Ghorst was a mistake yeah but I don't think Tretch was, he has an amazing campaign in Warhammer 3 and it quite also be quite a challenge, campaigns like this one should be celebrated when we have so many that are too easy.​

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mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:
Anyone can be made into a fun LL if enough effort is put into it, look at Ghorst or Tretch now, doesn't mean everyone should.

*looks at Ghorst and Tretch*

eh…

Clan Rictus should absolutely be playable and Tretch is the only LL for that. He alsow ouldn't make sense as a LH since he doesn't work for other clans. 

The only issue is that he should be the Stormvermin focused Skaven faction and not Queek. 

What I hate most about her is her World of Warcraft armor. How far we have fallen from Adrian Smith's Kislev artwork. Firstly, Kislevite infantry look like they are all bodybuilders wearing fake mustaches and then comes Naryska with her WoW armor.

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Passthechips#4366 wrote:

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mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:
Anyone can be made into a fun LL if enough effort is put into it, look at Ghorst or Tretch now, doesn't mean everyone should.

*looks at Ghorst and Tretch*

eh…

Clan Rictus should absolutely be playable and Tretch is the only LL for that. He alsow ouldn't make sense as a LH since he doesn't work for other clans. 

The only issue is that he should be the Stormvermin focused Skaven faction and not Queek. 

He's already a Stormvermin focused faction but perhaps they could give him the Deathvermin as a unique unit.

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

He's already a Stormvermin focused faction but perhaps they could give him the Deathvermin as a unique unit.

That was my thought. Give Rictus Deathvermin as a unique unit, and have them be slightly better shielded halberds and you're good to go at this point. I don't think CA can make Clan Mors work properly unless they make every other skaven faction recruit like Eshin does except Mors, and I don't think they'll do that

Eh i don't think so, Golden Knight was always envisioned as a LH by the great majority of us, ever since hearing who she was in Kislev's lore.

I do agree though that she was quite rushed in SoC 2.0. Who knows how and when would we have gotten her without the whole drama? Honestly, we'll never know what the hell were CA thinking to begin with. If she didnt make it in SoC 1.0 it must mean they had other plans for her for a future Kislev DLC (we've seen her horse artwork ages ago). Which also means, if we consider her LH material, they must have had another Kislev LL in mind.

Cebo#5715 wrote:

What I hate most about her is her World of Warcraft armor. How far we have fallen from Adrian Smith's Kislev artwork. Firstly, Kislevite infantry look like they are all bodybuilders wearing fake mustaches and then comes Naryska with her WoW armor.

Fully agreed. While i like what they were going for with her in general, there's just something a bit off. It's probably the bigass pauldrons which are quintessential WoW.

And i also do agree with the rest of your sentiment. I quite dislike the look of Kislev's infantry, especially the Kossars that look absolutely ridiculous. They are like double the size of Empire State Troops, have ginormous arms, go around sleevless in the frigid tundra... The look they had in the game 3's cinematic was perfectly fine and quite promising, but they they somehow went the bodybuilder route.

They did try to tone that down with the Kislev Warriors which, at least, are dressed like they're supposed. Either way, there's a fantastic reskin mod on the workshop that seems to really bring back that more grounded historical feel.

I bet some designer read that Kislevites share blood with northern tribes, so they decided that it must mean they are as big as Norscans and should use their skeletons instead of Empire ones, which was a big blunder that we're probably never gonna be rid of, except with mods.

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Passthechips#4366 wrote:
reliability penalties

I wish they'd also touch those up a bit more. It feels like now, if you ever break a treaty, for the rest of the campaign your reliability is just tanked

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Cebo#5715 wrote:

I bet some designer read that Kislevites share blood with northern tribes, so they decided that it must mean they are as big as Norscans and should use their skeletons instead of Empire ones, which was a big blunder that we're probably never gonna be rid of, except with mods.

Poor Kostaltyn and all Patrarchs didn't get that memo. I really don't like that Naryaska just reuses Archaons skeleton and animation set.​