Disappointing once again that Ogres didn't get any other new Landmarks. I hope 6.1 fixes this it...

Not really a fan of tier 5 units being lowered to tier 3 not just with landmarks but with ressources buildings as well. Instead of embracing campaigns being over by turn 50 CA should actually bother to make the endgame engaging.

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

Not really a fan of tier 5 units being lowered to tier 3 not just with landmarks but with ressources buildings as well. Instead of embracing campaigns being over by turn 50 CA should actually bother to make the endgame engaging.

Yeah… not to mention the rapid proliferation of hero unlocks to also add a ton of extra power to armies early on.

This would be less of a problem if there was a better anti-snowball/cap  mechanic in place, but oh well.

I’m finally actually starting to be interested in this DLC. Looks well made. Not super interested in any of the races being done but still.

Amazing seeing Ogres finally have a smart way to access higher tier units while keeping the settlements up to tier 3.

Khorne has better effects than nurgle for cultists camps, It is always worth it for the favour alone,  wonder if CA will take a look at nurgle that has some useless ones such as wood and marble.

I'm going to wait to see what the WIP changes to public order and corruption do to the game's pace. If working correctly, they ought to present resistance to reckless expansion we can do right now.

Once that is in, we'll understand the real impact of the early heroes etc.

Jeez. So many of these allow T5 units to be recruited at T3.

The problem before was that the game would be effectively over well before the time you got to T5. So instead of making the mid and late game challenging or fun, they're just giving you T5 units stupidly early, meaning you'll have even less challenge even earlier.

This is seriously bad.

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Wood_Sprite#1284 wrote:

I'm going to wait to see what the WIP changes to public order and corruption do to the game's pace. If working correctly, they ought to present resistance to reckless expansion we can do right now.

Once that is in, we'll understand the real impact of the early heroes etc.

Are they finally reworking those mechanics?

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dogoska#1535 wrote:

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Wood_Sprite#1284 wrote:

I'm going to wait to see what the WIP changes to public order and corruption do to the game's pace. If working correctly, they ought to present resistance to reckless expansion we can do right now.

Once that is in, we'll understand the real impact of the early heroes etc.

Are they finally reworking those mechanics?

Yeah they said so in one of the 5.x patch blogs.

So what's up with all those tier 5 units being recruitable at tier 3?

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Makadut#8764 wrote:

So what's up with all those tier 5 units being recruitable at tier 3?

What's the issue with that? Other races have ways to skip the recruitment buildings entirely (i.e. Lizardmen with Blessed Units, Vampires, Chaos Warriors, etc.), so having a thematic way to get some specific units aside from the traditional chains doesn't change anything in terms of balance. 

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KhorneFlakes#3727 wrote:

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Makadut#8764 wrote:

So what's up with all those tier 5 units being recruitable at tier 3?

What's the issue with that? Other races have ways to skip the recruitment buildings entirely (i.e. Lizardmen with Blessed Units, Vampires, Chaos Warriors, etc.), so having a thematic way to get some specific units aside from the traditional chains doesn't change anything in terms of balance. 

That's the sort of powercreep that is only going to make campaign getting boring even faster. People don't get to see those units in their campaigns because the endgame isn't interesting in the slightest, CA is only making the problem worse.

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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KhorneFlakes#3727 wrote:

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Makadut#8764 wrote:

So what's up with all those tier 5 units being recruitable at tier 3?

What's the issue with that? Other races have ways to skip the recruitment buildings entirely (i.e. Lizardmen with Blessed Units, Vampires, Chaos Warriors, etc.), so having a thematic way to get some specific units aside from the traditional chains doesn't change anything in terms of balance. 

That's the sort of powercreep that is only going to make campaign getting boring even faster. People don't get to see those units in their campaigns because the endgame isn't interesting in the slightest, CA is only making the problem worse.

I disagree. Vampires can get Grave Guard through raise dead super early in the campaign, while everyone else struggles to get tier 2 infantry, this dynamic has been here since game 1, and that's honestly not a problem. On the contrary, this should give you a bigger challenge when fighting Ogres. 

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KhorneFlakes#3727 wrote:

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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KhorneFlakes#3727 wrote:

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Makadut#8764 wrote:

So what's up with all those tier 5 units being recruitable at tier 3?

What's the issue with that? Other races have ways to skip the recruitment buildings entirely (i.e. Lizardmen with Blessed Units, Vampires, Chaos Warriors, etc.), so having a thematic way to get some specific units aside from the traditional chains doesn't change anything in terms of balance. 

That's the sort of powercreep that is only going to make campaign getting boring even faster. People don't get to see those units in their campaigns because the endgame isn't interesting in the slightest, CA is only making the problem worse.

I disagree. Vampires can get Grave Guard through raise dead super early in the campaign, while everyone else struggles to get tier 2 infantry, this dynamic has been here since game 1, and that's honestly not a problem. On the contrary, this should give you a bigger challenge when fighting Ogres. 

There's a difference between having earlier access to the Grave Guard, a tier 3 infantry unit and big tier 5 SEMs like the Rogue Idol. 

Summary?? the video is 30 minutes long...

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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KhorneFlakes#3727 wrote:

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Neodeinos#5871 wrote:

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KhorneFlakes#3727 wrote:

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Makadut#8764 wrote:

So what's up with all those tier 5 units being recruitable at tier 3?

What's the issue with that? Other races have ways to skip the recruitment buildings entirely (i.e. Lizardmen with Blessed Units, Vampires, Chaos Warriors, etc.), so having a thematic way to get some specific units aside from the traditional chains doesn't change anything in terms of balance. 

That's the sort of powercreep that is only going to make campaign getting boring even faster. People don't get to see those units in their campaigns because the endgame isn't interesting in the slightest, CA is only making the problem worse.

I disagree. Vampires can get Grave Guard through raise dead super early in the campaign, while everyone else struggles to get tier 2 infantry, this dynamic has been here since game 1, and that's honestly not a problem. On the contrary, this should give you a bigger challenge when fighting Ogres. 

There's a difference between having earlier access to the Grave Guard, a tier 3 infantry unit and big tier 5 SEMs like the Rogue Idol. 

The Rogue Idol is a meme, one of the most disappointing units in the game.