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They are a mop-up unit or a flanker, not a front-line meat grinder. You using them wrong is on you. You don't send Witch Elves against Black Orcs and then complain that they lose.

I am ready to hear counterpoints, but “they are flankers/ they are for mop-up” is just copium.  You don’t pay that much for mops.

Witch Elves are at least fast.

They are Dwarf Aspiring Champions, but instead of tanky they are killy, if you throw them at an enemy frontline without support expecting them to win then it's your fault.

Have a unit of Dwarf Warriors hold the line and manoeuvre your Doomseekers around the enemy and rear charge them.

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mecanojavi99#6562 wrote:

They are Dwarf Aspiring Champions, but instead of tanky they are killy, if you throw them at an enemy frontline without support expecting them to win then it's your fault.

Have a unit of Dwarf Warriors hold the line and manoeuvre your Doomseekers around the enemy and rear charge them.

Honestly, I think that they should be a bit more killy than they already are, as they have no armor and all.

I personally think they should be very deadly in head to head fights with massed infantry, like super berserkrers or something.

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Hexi#4540 wrote:

Yes because Dwarfs should have the best artillery, best flying unit and best frontline infantry. You faction fanboys need to realize that you can't have it all. Their stats are high enough that 1 unit will delete low-tier infantry all day till the end of time.

Not asking for a nerf but one group of doomseekee killed like 3 full units of nurgle warriors (yes not mean the marauders)

they are disappointing, more so because i had high hopes for this unit as melee blender is indeed what dwarfs lacked

LOL

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damon40000#7640 wrote:

they are disappointing, more so because i had high hopes for this unit as melee blender is indeed what dwarfs lacked

They are. But as usual certain people want the unit to just YOLO the unit in the enemy frontlines and automatically pay for itself. Because having the effin Thunderbarge invalidate entire matchups was apparently not enough.

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TainBoCuailinge#8335 wrote:

damon40000#7640 wrote:

they are disappointing, more so because i had high hopes for this unit as melee blender is indeed what dwarfs lacked

They are. But as usual certain people want the unit to just YOLO the unit in the enemy frontlines and automatically pay for itself. Because having the effin Thunderbarge invalidate entire matchups was apparently not enough.

An elite infantry blender unit SHOULD pay for itself if it is successfully "yolo'd" into enemy infantry frontlines.
The drawback is supposed to be the fact that it can't do other things well, or is very squishy against ranged fire.
The drawback shouldn't be the fact that the unit is unable to do its very job in the first place.

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Vrooktar#4671 wrote:
An elite infantry blender unit SHOULD pay for itself if it is successfully "yolo'd" into enemy infantry frontlines.

No that is INCREDIBLY dumb and unhealthy for balance.

Units should never be brainless right click to win even if that's the only way some of you know how to play. That's how you end up with Thunderbarge's. "Oh they're so big and expensive of course they should wreck face when you took them". 

As they currently are they do fine mixed with your main dwarf infantry line. Just learn to use it properly rather than blaming the unit for not being good enough.

Well I've not used them yet, but in their tabletop incarnation they were utter trash, like unusably bad so its fitting.

yeah just learn to use your army properly to counter Thunderbarge, good advise

They're certainly pretty mid, but have a use as chaff and medium infantry clearer. Probably come too late for that in most campaigns tho. I think they could get more speed, make them like 45-48 speed maniacs so at least they're decent at running things down. 

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Warfield#9043 wrote:
The number of units is the problem.  
For their price, Doomseekers are beaten by many other top-tier infantry, which is laughable since Doomseekers are supposed to be anti-infantry themselves.

Being anti-infantry doesn't mean a unit is gonna trade well with all infantry by default. Are you using them with a Slayer Lord with the skills that buff all slayers? Ironfist turns them into monsters. Just like Snikch turns Death Runners. Units don't exist in a vacuum.

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Sandboxhead#8494 wrote:

I am ready to hear counterpoints, but “they are flankers/ they are for mop-up” is just copium.  You don’t pay that much for mops.

This.