Now that's some good lore!

That's some grade-A Mary Sue crap. 

This is so cringe I hope it is wrong.

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kaiki#4128 wrote:
2. Miao Ying, under the influence of Chaos magic, mistakenly killed her sister Shiyama. By the time the Dragon Emperor arrived, it was too late. In the end, the Dragon Emperor bound his eldest daughter to the Wind of Death, transforming her into a guardian of the underworld of Cathay. Simultaneously, the Moon Dragon used her power to modify all memory of this event from everyone.

this is quite interesting. Shows things aren’t as harmonious as first appears.

Also leads to interesting questions wrt why none of the siblings know what happened to Shen Zoo. Another mind wipe? Maybe she really was corrupted into the dragon Archaeon kills for the Eye of Shireen?

Well, at least there is some decent tragedy involved.

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kaiki#4128 wrote:

Oh please, please PLEASE, I want that to mean an insinuation that atleast one of Miao Ying's Shugengan children is fathered by Sigmar, that Miao Ying came back pregnant from her trip. That would be such a cool thought.

"What? The Elves didn't do everything on their own??? Muuuuuuh Cathay is Mary Sue!!"

Also, Miao Ying killing her own sister, The Dragon Emperor being fearful of Nagash, The Moon Empress using mind control to blot out inconvenient memories, Miao Ying being overly impressed by Sigmar tells be the anti Cathay crew are being as dramatic as per usual.

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Lord_Zarkov#7252 wrote:

this is quite interesting. Shows things aren’t as harmonious as first appears.

Also leads to interesting questions wrt why none of the siblings know what happened to Shen Zoo. Another mind wipe? Maybe she really was corrupted into the dragon Archaeon kills for the Eye of Shireen?

That Dragon already had a name. It was speculated that it was one of the Dragon children tho.

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kaiki#4128 wrote:

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They definitely ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

There's a reason I prefer pre-reboot WHFB lore.

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Djau#5149 wrote:

Is there really anything that Grand Cathay didn't influence or be a part of?  Not sure I like where this is going...  Points 2, 3 and 4 are ok, but I dislike the first point.  Takes agency away from the High Elves.

According to the lore it wasn't just The Elves who helped to banish Chaos for that short time, there was also the Waystones of Albia and the Lizardmen are also connected to the creation/maintenance of the Great Vortex. The idea that the Elves did everything and it's not fair if that's taken away from them is a little, narratively boring, as well as not being true.

Its not necessarily the cooperation part thats the problem.  Its that Cathay is inserted, again.  Its a matter of saturation.  So they were the first to invent gunpowder (and not the Dwarves).  Now Cathay was integral to the Elves Vortex.

We aren't getting equal viewpoints of parts that other nations and factions do better than Grand Cathay.  I think the best one is the implication that Sigmar clapped Miao Ying so far, which is somewhat hilarious.

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Djau#5149 wrote:
Takes agency away from the High Elves.

It was the High Elves and the High Elves alone* who created the Great Vortex. The others bought them time. What I see here seems to be the extension of it, similar to what Grimnir did.

*After its formation, Slann assisted in its maintenance.

I have ways of gaining access to the full arcane journal, like I have done with the previous ones so far, so I'll be making a post with all the lore once I get access to it.

But so far this sounds really interesting, specially the but about Chaos being able to influence the dragon children.

Although my personal favourite is Quai Yin's "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" her children, like, if she is capable of doing that to her own children who knows what she does to the populace? This opens the door to stuff like "re-education camps" for dissidents or straight up altering someone's memory to forget about their politically inconvenient husband.

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Djau#5149 wrote:
So they were the first to invent gunpowder (and not the Dwarves)

China was the first to invent gunpowder, so this is not related.

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Wyvax#7456 wrote:

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Djau#5149 wrote:

Is there really anything that Grand Cathay didn't influence or be a part of?  Not sure I like where this is going...  Points 2, 3 and 4 are ok, but I dislike the first point.  Takes agency away from the High Elves.

Ditto. I choose to believe that point one is the 'official history' of the nation but not the actual events (point two directly sets a precedence for this), the local humans were absolutely not numerous or advanced enough to be capable of fighting back at that time from the daemon hordes. I can believe that Xen Yang was busy attempting an alpha strike of his own power to weaken the onslaught.

EDIT: forgot to add 'not' after that absolutely. :P

Wasn't this the time where all first generation Slann were still alive and desperately holding on and dying against the demon hordes? And that when the Lizardmen were on the hight of their power with sheer endless legions.

If the dragon emperor is in the same ballpark as the strongest Slann it is strange that he alone could muster such an assault.

Imo there was no need to make Cathay any part of the great ritual, it would be more interesting if they were like the dwarfs and just try to endure. 

This terror and despair would also nicely build up the hatred for chaos since the Emperor witnessed first hand this dark times.