I never really understood this answer from Rich. Nagash was extremely powerful at the pinnacle of his power after having done a lot to achieve it. Just have him start out as a husk, and not his god-form and have to achieve that form over time.

It’s also a bit strange that somehow he’s too powerful even then. Characters like Mazdamundi are theoretically just as powerful (or close to) as Nagash, even after he attains his initial godhood.

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Passthechips#4366 wrote:

I never really understood this answer from Rich. Nagash was extremely powerful at the pinnacle of his power after having done a lot to achieve it. Just have him start out as a husk, and not his god-form and have to achieve that form over time.

It’s also a bit strange that somehow he’s too powerful even then. Characters like Mazdamundi are theoretically just as powerful (or close to) as Nagash, even after he attains his initial godhood.

And make it campaign exclusive only. Mazdamundi isnt powerful in the game currently, at least the way I see it lol. 

Spells and actual battle prowess can be scaled maybe, but the power to control so many minions directly ie Mortachs and servants. They are pretty beastly in their own right and making them his exclusives is breaking balance too. How is Luthor Harkon going to join him when his VCoast lord? Arkhan is a Tomb King. Should he abandon his race then? Cross race confederation for Nagash? Its not just his stats and casting abilities but just the influence over the map he can have that's the problem.

This guy sounds like a boss fight more than something that can be applied...

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KhaineIncarnate#6730 wrote:
Spells and actual battle prowess can be scaled maybe, but the power to control so many minions directly ie Mortachs and servants. They are pretty beastly in their own right and making them his exclusives is breaking balance too. How is Luthor Harkon going to join him when his VCoast lord? Arkhan is a Tomb King. Should he abandon his race then? Cross race confederation for Nagash? It’s not just his stats and casting abilities but just the influence over the map he can have that's the problem.

A similar way Archaon does it. Just force confederation/vassalization upon defeating their faction, with some diplomatic options for certain undead factions that like Nagash. They can have a separate copy of the lord that Nagash can gain access to for his race. The Nagash mod solved this “problem” years ago.

Chaos champions are weaker than his Mortachs and handing them out means handing out their units...because they are race specific for their skill trees. Unless they are revamped for his faction only and no other units gets added in. I'm not sure how I feel about VCoast artillery covering VCount infantry or Tomb King monsters. The rosters are balanced around themselves mainly. 

Maybe CA could try CoC Cross confederation to see how doable this is. They require little effort to do imo, because they are hybrid monogod LLs. Then wait and see how balancing sticks in and what can be done with other Cross race opportunities. 

​Tier List for the various ways Nagash could be implemented:S-Tier:  A new Lich/Necromancer Race is created with Arkhan, Kemmler, Ghorst, Dieter and Drachenfels as LLs.  Nagash also gets his own DoC-style Race that has units from all 4 Undead rosters.

A-Tier:  A new Lich/Necromancer Race is created with Nagash, Arkhan, Kemmler, Ghorst, Dieter and Drachenfels as LLs.  Nagash gets Archaon-style Faction mechanics that give him access to units from the other 3 Undead rosters.

B-Tier:  Nagash gets his own DoC-style Race that has units from the other 3 Undead rosters.

C-Tier:  Nagash is a VCount or TK LL.

F-Tier:  Nagash ends up a Kroak/Ariel-style LH.

Passthechips#4366 wrote:
It’s also a bit strange that somehow he’s too powerful even then. Characters like Mazdamundi are theoretically just as powerful (or close to) as Nagash, even after he attains his initial godhood.

Exactly.  Nagash is no more powerful than Mazdamundi on the battlefield.  And no more powerful than Archaon on a campaign level.  Since we already have both of those, there's no reason for Archaon to be too powerful for the game.

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KhaineIncarnate#6730 wrote:
Chaos champions are weaker than his Mortachs 

Not really?

KhaineIncarnate#6730 wrote:
and handing them out means handing out their units...because they are race specific for their skill trees.

CA could make new skill lines for the LL copies that enter Nagash’s control, similar to the mod. 

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KhaineIncarnate#6730 wrote:
Unless they are revamped for his faction only and no other units gets added in. I'm not sure how I feel about VCoast artillery covering VCount infantry or Tomb King monsters. The rosters are balanced around themselves mainly. 

There’s many ways this could be balanced, with different limitations or restrictions on recruitment depending on the Lord type, resources required, or attainment.

The problem with implementing Nagash is deciding how it should be designed and balanced, not whether it could be designed and balanced.

Maybe a Chaos Dwarf style recruitment would be alright upon confederation. If CA do CoC cross confederation first and can actually set it up. My only problem with mods is mainly things related to the game we don't know about. And revamped skill trees to be suitable around Undead Legions. 

And figure out alternative way to confederate the lords instead of making copies. A minor issue on my end but it breaks all immersion.