I would buy a Minoan dlc if they made one.

The Minoan Civilisation didn't really exist anymore at this point. Making them playable wouldn't really make sense. 

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

The Minoan Civilisation didn't really exist anymore at this point. Making them playable wouldn't really make sense. 

Yes they did. There is not a thesis determinating the exact date of the conquest of the Minoans by the Myceneans. Therefore it is totally possible to have them as playable faction.

You can find in Wikipedia the dates of (c. 3000–b.C.1100 b.C.) and the game begins on 1200 b.C. 

Incorect. The Minoan Civilisation ended around 1400. Thats 200 years before the game starts. During the games timeline Minoans already merged with the Mcenean Civilisation. 

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oOIYvYIOo#4650 wrote:

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

The Minoan Civilisation didn't really exist anymore at this point. Making them playable wouldn't really make sense. 

Yes they did. There is not a thesis determinating the exact date of the conquest of the Minoans by the Myceneans. Therefore it is totally possible to have them as playable faction.

You can find in Wikipedia the dates of (c. 3000–b.C.1100 b.C.) and the game begins on 1200 b.C. 

Incorect. The Minoan Civilisation ended around 1400. Thats 200 years before the game starts. During the games timeline Minoans already merged with the Mcenean Civilisation. 

Were you there to determinate the exact date?

Another wise persona ...

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Minoan-civilization

"Minoan civilization, Bronze Age civilization of Crete that flourished from about 3000 BCE to about 1100 BCE. Its name derives from Minos, either a dynastic title or the name of a particular ruler of Crete who has a place in Greek legend."

Yes, return I accept your apologies.

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

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oOIYvYIOo#4650 wrote:

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

The Minoan Civilisation didn't really exist anymore at this point. Making them playable wouldn't really make sense. 

Yes they did. There is not a thesis determinating the exact date of the conquest of the Minoans by the Myceneans. Therefore it is totally possible to have them as playable faction.

You can find in Wikipedia the dates of (c. 3000–b.C.1100 b.C.) and the game begins on 1200 b.C. 

Incorect. The Minoan Civilisation ended around 1400. Thats 200 years before the game starts. During the games timeline Minoans already merged with the Mcenean Civilisation. 

Were you there to determinate the exact date?

Another wise persona ...

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Minoan-civilization

"Minoan civilization, Bronze Age civilization of Crete that flourished from about 3000 BCE to about 1100 BCE. Its name derives from Minos, either a dynastic title or the name of a particular ruler of Crete who has a place in Greek legend."

Yes, return I accept your apologies.

Well that source is incorrect then. 

Here is another source:

the Minoan Civilization flourished in the Middle Bronze Age (c. 2000 - c. 1450 BCE) on the island of Crete located in the eastern Mediterranean.

​Whatever the cause, most of the Minoan sites were abandoned by 1200 BCE and Crete would not return to the Mediterranean stage of history until the 8th century BCE when it was colonised by Archaic Greeks.

Link:

​Minoan Civilization - World History Encyclopedia

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oOIYvYIOo#4650 wrote:

Stop being limited and arrogant. 

No one is right or wrong. Specially youreself. 

Archaeology is based in theories when you dont have a document with a exact date. 

Specially pre History.

And advice, start to read the pages and not the titles only. From your indisputable source:

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• Late Bronze Age or Late Minoan (LM): 1600-1100 BCE

The above divisions were subsequently refined by adding numbered subphases to each group (e.g. MM II). Radio-carbon dating and tree-ring calibration techniques have helped to further refine the dates so that the Early Bronze Age now begins c. 3500 BCE and the Late Bronze Age c. 1700 BCE. An alternative to this series of divisions, created by Platon, instead focuses on the events occurring in and around the major Minoan “palaces”. This scheme has four periods:

• Prepalatial: 3000 - 2000/1900 BCE
• Protopalatial: 2000/1900 - 1700 BCE
• Neopalatial: 1700 - 1470/1450 BCE
• Postpalatial: 1470/1450 - 1100 BCE

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Yes but in that last period all their palaces already collapsed and their civilisation pretty much merged with the Greek mainland. Thats why we didn't get them as a playable faction. 

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oOIYvYIOo#4650 wrote:

And now you write in the name of CA/TW? You speak for Historians and Archaeologians and now CA/TW.

Learn how to be humble or grow up.

Accept the fact that there is no exact date for not having Mionans when the game begins on 1200 b.C. and the theory of Minoans civilization ended betwen 1400-1100 b.C.

Well we didn't get them did we? The game is done content wise. 

Fact is that the Minoan civilisation collapsed around 1400-1200 which is before the start of the game. 

Circle argument.  Let's stop, or the thread will be closed.

To add to that, 200 year here, a 150 years there makes no difference to CA, they have always been happy to add civilisations based on how popular they are, rather than going off exact dates from a single source. I remember them changing an Egyptian culture by about 2000 years because it better suited the game.

This is a good opportunity to explore interesting cultures of this period as it's pretty obvious they won't be coming back here. I'd like to see as many cultures opened up as possible.

I think if we can include cavalry because it makes the game more interesting (and I support this) we can absolutely fill the map in with distinct cultures even if the timeline is a bit off.

​While I am team "they didn't really exist at this point" I honestly just want every game I play to have the Minoans in it ngl. Would I play a Minoan faction in the medieval period? Yes. Intergalactic space age? Yes. That being said; there's a lot more justification for it being in this time period than in any other Total War game, and there's certainly an argument to be made for the existence of some small pockets of Minoans rallying from their hiding places the hillside to have some sort of "retake Crete/reclaim our former glory" style Minoan faction. A lot of potential for a tech tree and building chain that indicates a kind of rediscovery of their old buildings and knowledge etc. Their end goal being saviors of the Bronze Age when they rebuild their navy to a point of holding off the Sea Peoples invasion. Again...I'll take a Minoan faction any day

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

The Minoan Civilisation didn't really exist anymore at this point. Making them playable wouldn't really make sense. 

How about Troy with Homer Characters instead of Wilusa aND it's characters?

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davedave1124#4773 wrote:

To add to that, 200 year here, a 150 years there makes no difference to CA, they have always been happy to add civilisations based on how popular they are, rather than going off exact dates from a single source. I remember them changing an Egyptian culture by about 2000 years because it better suited the game.

This is a good opportunity to explore interesting cultures of this period as it's pretty obvious they won't be coming back here. I'd like to see as many cultures opened up as possible.

And TWPD begins at 1210 b.C.

Personally, I think it would take less than 10 mins thought to deal with this issue, including different start dates or just a bit of shoehorning, like they’ve gone in the past.

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

The Minoan Civilisation didn't really exist anymore at this point. Making them playable wouldn't really make sense. 

How about Troy with Homer Characters instead of Wilusa aND it's characters?

How is that comparable? Characters are not the same as playable Cultures. Might as well add the old Sumerians or hey why not some Celts?

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Captain_Rex#1635 wrote:

The Minoan Civilisation didn't really exist anymore at this point. Making them playable wouldn't really make sense. 

This.